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Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172277] Tue, 08 February 2011 19:23 Go to next message
Trevor Holyoak is currently offline  Trevor Holyoak
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I am currently evaluating RadPHP for use in php development at work. I
have up to now simply used text editors, but the debugging and visual
editing features look very good.

I am a little unsure as to whether it will work with my existing code,
but it looks like it might be a good tool going forward.

I'm curious about opinions of anyone who might have used it? Also, are
there any other RAD (Rapid Application Development) tools available for PHP?

Thanks,
Trevor
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172279 is a reply to message #172277] Tue, 08 February 2011 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:23:51 -0700, Trevor Holyoak wrote:

> I am currently evaluating RadPHP for use in php development at work. I
> have up to now simply used text editors, but the debugging and visual
> editing features look very good.
>
> I am a little unsure as to whether it will work with my existing code,
> but it looks like it might be a good tool going forward.
>
> I'm curious about opinions of anyone who might have used it? Also, are
> there any other RAD (Rapid Application Development) tools available for PHP?
>
> Thanks,
> Trevor

http://www.blumentals.net/

I use rapid php 2010. It has a server you can download and apply so that
you don't have to upload anything. The color coding helps in making sure
you are in the right pair of tags, and if you have any tags that are not
matched.
You can run php script by itself for testing purposes.
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172289 is a reply to message #172279] Wed, 09 February 2011 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2/8/2011 8:23 PM, richard wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:23:51 -0700, Trevor Holyoak wrote:
>
>> I am currently evaluating RadPHP for use in php development at work. I
>> have up to now simply used text editors, but the debugging and visual
>> editing features look very good.
>>
>> I am a little unsure as to whether it will work with my existing code,
>> but it looks like it might be a good tool going forward.
>>
>> I'm curious about opinions of anyone who might have used it? Also, are
>> there any other RAD (Rapid Application Development) tools available for PHP?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Trevor
>
> http://www.blumentals.net/
>
> I use rapid php 2010. It has a server you can download and apply so that
> you don't have to upload anything. The color coding helps in making sure
> you are in the right pair of tags, and if you have any tags that are not
> matched.
> You can run php script by itself for testing purposes.

It looks like that's more of a text editor IDE? The thing that appears
attractive about RadPHP is the visual editing feature - you can drag and
drop visual objects onto your page and then code behind them, like
Delphi (it's actually from the same company that now owns Delphi, and
was apparently created using it), PowerBuilder (which is where I
actually do most of my non-web development), Visual Basic, etc., which
should make development a whole lot faster than just using a text
editor-type IDE.

Thanks,
Trevor
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172455 is a reply to message #172279] Fri, 18 February 2011 18:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2/8/2011 8:23 PM, richard wrote:

> http://www.blumentals.net/
>
> I use rapid php 2010. It has a server you can download and apply so that
> you don't have to upload anything. The color coding helps in making sure
> you are in the right pair of tags, and if you have any tags that are not
> matched.
> You can run php script by itself for testing purposes.

How easy is it to set up for debugging? Does it do it for you?

- Trevor
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172462 is a reply to message #172277] Sat, 19 February 2011 01:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Trevor Holyoak" wrote in message
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> I'm curious about opinions of anyone who might have used it?
> Also, are there any other RAD (Rapid Application Development)
> tools available for PHP?

I did a quick search and came up with this: http://cakephp.org/

I have it now on my xampp Apache localhost server where I also have my other
PHP scripts for testing before unleashing on the world via my remote server
Dreamhost.

I also have a lot of experience with Borland Delphi's D4pro IDE and I have
used it exclusively for my Windows GUI apps for about 10 years now. Best $99
I ever spent at a computer show.

So far I just have the index.php page showing but it can't connect to the
database. I'm not really sure where to go from here. I need a very basic
tutorial...

Paul
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172636 is a reply to message #172462] Tue, 22 February 2011 12:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2/18/2011 11:38 PM, P E Schoen wrote:
> "Trevor Holyoak" wrote in message
> news:iismqq$kdl$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org...
>
>> I'm curious about opinions of anyone who might have used it?
>> Also, are there any other RAD (Rapid Application Development)
>> tools available for PHP?
>
> I did a quick search and came up with this: http://cakephp.org/
>
> I have it now on my xampp Apache localhost server where I also have my
> other PHP scripts for testing before unleashing on the world via my
> remote server Dreamhost.
>
> I also have a lot of experience with Borland Delphi's D4pro IDE and I
> have used it exclusively for my Windows GUI apps for about 10 years now.
> Best $99 I ever spent at a computer show.
>
> So far I just have the index.php page showing but it can't connect to
> the database. I'm not really sure where to go from here. I need a very
> basic tutorial...

If you're used to Delphi, you might get a lot out of RadPHP (formerly
known as Delphi for PHP). Unfortunately, for those of us that aren't
familiar with Delphi, there is quite a learning curve, and the poor
documentation isn't as helpful as I would like. However, I've found that
now that I at least have the debugger working, it may be worth the price
in itself.

I looked briefly at CakePHP, but it doesn't appear to support the
database we use, and doesn't appear to be graphically oriented. To me, a
RAD tool should be more than just a framework to code with. But maybe
I'm just spoiled by PowerBuilder. :)

- Trevor
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172637 is a reply to message #172636] Tue, 22 February 2011 16:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Den 22-02-2011 18:32, Trevor skrev:

> I looked briefly at CakePHP, but it doesn't appear to support the
> database we use, and doesn't appear to be graphically oriented.

CakePHP supports at least DB2, Firebird, MS-SQL, MySQL, ODBC, Oracle,
Postgres, SQLite and Sybase.

It is not graphical at all - but it has a powerfull shell, that for
instance lets you build all the code for creating, reading, updating and
deleting data with any kinds of relations (one-to-one, one-to-many and
many-to-many relations).

Regards

Jonathan
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172639 is a reply to message #172637] Tue, 22 February 2011 18:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2/22/2011 2:48 PM, Jonathan Stein wrote:
> Den 22-02-2011 18:32, Trevor skrev:
>
>> I looked briefly at CakePHP, but it doesn't appear to support the
>> database we use, and doesn't appear to be graphically oriented.
>
> CakePHP supports at least DB2, Firebird, MS-SQL, MySQL, ODBC, Oracle,
> Postgres, SQLite and Sybase.
>
> It is not graphical at all - but it has a powerfull shell, that for
> instance lets you build all the code for creating, reading, updating and
> deleting data with any kinds of relations (one-to-one, one-to-many and
> many-to-many relations).

I didn't see Sybase SQL Anywhere listed, but I suppose I could always
connect with ODBC?

- Trevor
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172645 is a reply to message #172639] Wed, 23 February 2011 03:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Den 23-02-2011 00:01, Trevor skrev:

> I didn't see Sybase SQL Anywhere listed, but I suppose I could always
> connect with ODBC?

It looks like native Sybase and ODBC support has gone in CakePHP 1.3...
(It was there in 1.2).

I haven't checked if there are 3rd party drivers available.

Regards

Jonathan
Re: Experiences with RadPHP? [message #172802 is a reply to message #172455] Wed, 02 March 2011 17:19 Go to previous message
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On 2/18/2011 4:25 PM, Trevor wrote:
> On 2/8/2011 8:23 PM, richard wrote:
>
>> http://www.blumentals.net/
>>
>> I use rapid php 2010. It has a server you can download and apply so that
>> you don't have to upload anything. The color coding helps in making sure
>> you are in the right pair of tags, and if you have any tags that are not
>> matched.
>> You can run php script by itself for testing purposes.
>
> How easy is it to set up for debugging? Does it do it for you?

Ok, I tried it, but it was too much hassle to set up the debugger.

I also tried VS.Php, and it seems to work very well. I think it's got
everything I wanted in RadPHP except for the visual development, without
all the problems. Like RadPHP, it set up the debugging environment for
me with a local web server, but unlike RadPHP, it will also step through
the Javascript! :)

Thanks,
Trevor
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