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Re: Nested PHP [message #185315 is a reply to message #185313]

Mon, 17 March 2014 22:10

Peter H. Coffin
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On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:33:13 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> What does a data base do well?
> - breaks the directory hierarchy of data
> - moves the data outside of the actual era directly accessible to te web
> server
> - provides a one point of backup
> - adds a security of access to the data and code not easily done in
> other ways.

Oh dear... Let's start with that SQL was developed to run on a machine
that had no directory hierarchy, had no web, didn't even really have
a concept of "file" that was distinct from "table", and backing stuff
up was a matter of "saving things", because you had no idea whether
something was in memory or disk and didn't care. The security wasn't
added on because the whole OS was pretty indistinguishable from the
database. Everything you've mentioned is a side-effect of the database,
not intrinsic to its use. You wanna run at this again? Nevermind,
I'll just tell you. A database allows you to separate data from
application in a way that allows you to change the data, including its
interdependant relationships and qualities, without necessarily changing
the application.

The data comes first. Anytime you're starting with the application
first, you're working not with a database, but rather with a "storage
subsystem". Which is all fine and dandy, but it slaps you with richard
problems forever, in varying severity, until you give up, start over
with the data, and do it right.

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