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How to disable target=_blank [message #162940] Sat, 04 September 2010 13:01 Go to next message
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I have modifed my templates already to use HTML5 instead of XHTML, so it's not a technical problem. However I frown upon the usability aspect of that.

So how or where can I disable those oldschool target=_blank attributes? Is there an option for that, or if it's in the templates, which one? Or if FF is hardcoded to augment {url}s with targets, in which script?

Thanks!
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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #162942 is a reply to message #162940] Sat, 04 September 2010 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can run a "grep" against the template files:

buddy_list.tmpl
drawmsg.tmpl
drawpmsg.tmpl
finduser.tmpl
ignore_list.tmpl
referals.tmpl
reported.tmpl
usrinfo.tmpl

Any particular reason why it shouldn't be used any more?

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #162943 is a reply to message #162942] Sat, 04 September 2010 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernesto is currently offline  Ernesto   Sweden
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post_proc.inc.t is the file you want if you wanna remove/change the automatic add of target="_blank" to BBCODE URL links

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #162976 is a reply to message #162943] Mon, 13 September 2010 11:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, maybe we should remove all the link targets from upcoming 3.0.2 release.
Are there any reasons why we shouldn't?
What do you guys think?

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #162977 is a reply to message #162976] Mon, 13 September 2010 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ernesto is currently offline  Ernesto   Sweden
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No, it should be kept in. You don't want to force users away from your page when they click links. It should most definitely open a new window/tab, you want users on your page as much as possible, not as little as possible. Out of all ideas you have had Sir, that was the terriblestestest! =)

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163027 is a reply to message #162977] Sun, 19 September 2010 11:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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They should be removed as it's generally seen as a bad practice.

If you need this functionality, you can paste this JS code into your html:
$('a[href^="http://"]')
  .attr({
    target: "_blank", 
    title: "Opens in a new window"
  });

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163028 is a reply to message #162940] Sun, 19 September 2010 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That would open all links into a new window, not just the links that are in a post.

I don't think that I have ever seen any forum software that doesn't open up links in posts in a new window/tab.

I don't see how target="_blank" would be bad practice, it's VERY widely used and it works great to keep a user on your site.

What is bad practice are javascript links to open up new windows, because those you cannot control on a user basis - IE, I often click links with my middle mouse to open them in a new tab (to be certain they open in a new tab, since i dont wanna navigate away from the current page) - but if its a javascript link, the opened page will not work, since the browsers cannot interpret it.


Mjeh, we often agree on much, but this one I have to say that me, and actually every single other forum software agrees, against you :po

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163029 is a reply to message #163028] Sun, 19 September 2010 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you could point me to somewhere that would in any way, shape or form indicate that it is bad practice, feel free to, would be very interesting to see´=)

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163030 is a reply to message #163028] Sun, 19 September 2010 11:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, it will only open external links in a new window (basically only those posted by users).

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163031 is a reply to message #163030] Sun, 19 September 2010 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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XHTML Strict is not, according to me, "most desired practice" etc etc.

People who are WC3 crazy would rip out target=_blank and replace it with onclick="window.open(this.href,'_blank');return false;" which actually IS bad practice, since it breaks the middle mouse button functionality in _ALL_ browsers.


Let's say my mom is visiting a forum that does not have target="_blank".
She is reading the recepie thread.
One post called "Bread" links her to the site "Bread'R'Us"
My mom clicks the link.
She enters the site Bread'R'Us, it loads a bit slow since its a bloated site. She navigates on that site with 3-4 clicks to get to a recepie she wants.

Now she wants to get back to that lovely forum and that magnificent thread that had tips of all the recepie sites!

So she hits her back button. Oh shit, since the site used a script to redirect her search for the recepie, a popup is prompted if she wants to submit the data again!

If course she doesnt want to do that, she clicks cancel and remains on her current page.

My mom tries to hit the back button again. Same prompt appears. My mom is now confused, but she clicks ok.

Boom, the search enables again, and she is STILL on the same page.

She is now desperate, so she is clicking the back button like a crazy person, and before the scripts on the page loads (the page is very slow, remember?) she manages to get back 2 pages, to the recepie list again on bread's'r'us but she doesnt know this, since its such a slow site.

She clicks the back button again, waits, page loads, still not the lovely forum thread.





OR

She clicks the link on the forum, a new tab appears and flashes. She clicks the tab, finds her recepies, then clicks the forum tab and she can view the little forum again!


For usability and user experience, I'd go with option number 2!

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163032 is a reply to message #163027] Sun, 19 September 2010 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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naudefj wrote on Sun, 19 September 2010 17:09
They should be removed as it's generally seen as a bad practice.

If you need this functionality, you can paste this JS code into your html:
$('a[href^="http://"]')
  .attr({
    target: "_blank", 
    title: "Opens in a new window"
  });


This requires the user to have javascript enabled AND use the jquery library

(Although I always advocate that javascript is required in a modern web experience, there are still some people who have it disabled)

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163033 is a reply to message #163032] Sun, 19 September 2010 12:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do agree that the "onclick window.open" method sucks, so we won't use that.

If we don't use target="_blank" users can simply right click and select "open in new window". If they don't, the BACK button will still work as expected. No funny stuff.

FUDforum uses jQuery anyway. So, if you don't like it, you can simply drop in the provided code to change the link behaviour.

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163034 is a reply to message #162940] Sun, 19 September 2010 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Should we remove target=_blank from external links?[ 6 votes ]
1. Yes, get rid of it. 3 / 50%
2. No, please keep it. 2 / 33%
3. Who cares? 1 / 17%

What do you think?

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163947 is a reply to message #163034] Tue, 14 December 2010 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What file would need to be edited to invoke the target="_blank" function? My users are consistently asking for links to open in a new tab automatically.

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #163957 is a reply to message #163947] Thu, 16 December 2010 05:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paste the above mentioned jQuery snippet (message #163027) into your /js/lib.js file.

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #164014 is a reply to message #163957] Tue, 28 December 2010 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I did as you suggested, but links still open in the same window as opposed to a new window or tab. Should I be placing the snipped under a particular function in the lib.js file? Or just stuck on the very end of the file? And do I need to rebuild my templates or anything like that?

Sorry to ask such elementary questions, but I'm a coding ignoramus. Sad

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #164019 is a reply to message #164014] Tue, 28 December 2010 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Add it right after $(function init() {.
No rebuilding required.

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #164171 is a reply to message #164166] Fri, 07 January 2011 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Perfect! Thanks!!

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #164180 is a reply to message #164166] Fri, 07 January 2011 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The Witcher wrote:
I believe if possible this should be a selectable option for future releases if not default!


Someone should turn it into a plugin!
Just don't look at me. Life is short and I cannot spend all of it coding weird stuff.

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #164181 is a reply to message #164180] Fri, 07 January 2011 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Personally, I think it's more suited to a user preference or a global setting for the forum than for a plug-in, but I can't write code, so I take what I can get. (Like copy/paste as above. Smile )

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #165131 is a reply to message #164190] Sat, 30 April 2011 08:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi - Trying to figure this one out. I added this code and:
Chrome and IE8 work perfectly. Opens new tab.
Firefox does nothing. I am guessing this is a firefox setting failure instead of a code problem?

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Re: How to disable target=_blank [message #165132 is a reply to message #165131] Sun, 01 May 2011 00:51 Go to previous message
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It works for me with Firefox 3.6.16.

PS: Firefox have settings to control window and pop-up behaviour. You may need to review them.

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