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Komodo Edit [message #182124] Sat, 13 July 2013 10:51 Go to next message
Mitch Bujard is currently offline  Mitch Bujard
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I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
loops and conditional where not indented.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182125 is a reply to message #182124] Sat, 13 July 2013 11:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
> and conditional where not indented.
>
> Mitch
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>

Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
features available. But then I use it for Java, also.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182126 is a reply to message #182125] Sat, 13 July 2013 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-07-13 17:59:

> On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
>> and conditional where not indented.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>
>
> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.

+1

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182127 is a reply to message #182124] Sat, 13 July 2013 14:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:

> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
> loops and conditional where not indented.
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Experience is the best teacher.

I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182128 is a reply to message #182127] Sat, 13 July 2013 15:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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richard <noreply(at)example(dot)com> wrote in news:13n44577heo4i.gqdcq2rfva8k.dlg@
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> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>

> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>

LOL! When have *you* ever run *anything* through a validator??
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182130 is a reply to message #182127] Sun, 14 July 2013 03:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:

> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Experience is the best teacher.
>
> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.

Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?

Thank you.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182131 is a reply to message #182126] Sun, 14 July 2013 04:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:

>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
>> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.

So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no
use for the very expensive thing.

I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java, but I find it
somehow cumbersome for php.

Thank you for the pointer, though.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182138 is a reply to message #182131] Sun, 14 July 2013 05:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
>>> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.
>
> So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no
> use for the very expensive thing.
>
> I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java,

Urban myth. [0] I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3 “Kepler”)
for (from A to Z):

- Android development (that is only partially Java) (ADT by Google)
- C/C++ (C/C++ Development Tools, CDT)
- CSS (Web Tools Platform, WTP)
- Databases and SQL development (Data Tools Platform, DTP)
- (X)HTML (WTP)
- i18n with gettext (gted by Simon Martinelli)
- Java (Java Development Tools, JDT)
- JavaScript and other ECMAScript implementations (JSDT in WTP)
- LaTeX (TeXlipse)
- Perl (Eclipse Perl Integration, EPIC)
- PHP (PHP Development Tools, PDT)
- Prolog (Prolog Development Tools by University of Bonn)
- Python (PyDev by Fabio Zadrozny)
- Regular expressions (QuickREx by Bastian Bergerhoff)
- Shellscripts
- SVN integration (Subversive by Polarion)
- Task-based editing and planning, Bugzilla and Mantis integration (Mylyn)
- Tcl/Expect (Dynamic Languages Toolkit, DLT)
- UML (ArgoEclipse)
- XML applications (like MathML, SVG, XSLT etc.) (WTP)
- other languages and file formats (EclipseColorer or embedded editors)

With proper configuration, no memory or speed issues even on this older
notebook.

I will probably be using it soon for

- git integration (EGit)

(Needless to say, I am a Friend of Eclipse.)

> but I find it somehow cumbersome for php.

In what way?

Zend Studio [1] is based on Eclipse PHP Development Tools (PDT) [2].
Eclipse and PDT are for free; Zend Studio is only for free for ZCEs or
during a 30 days trial period. By contrast to Komodo IDE, all of them are
available for more than two operating systems as they are based on Java.

I am currently using PDT 3.2 and find it very useful instead of cumbersome,
although I am looking forward to Zend Studio's advanced features. [3]

> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> See "Oloron Program font" at http://www.fontmenu.com/site/_program.html
> for a font that shows braces, brackets and useful programming symbols in
> *BOLD* ---
> I am extremely patient provided I get my own way in the end.
> Maggy Thatcher

Your signature is very borken. [4, 5] Please fix, see below.


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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182140 is a reply to message #182138] Sun, 14 July 2013 06:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:

> Urban myth. [0] I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3 “Kepler”)
> for (from A to Z):

I was sharing my feeling about that program. Of course, you needed to
assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'. Need to alwatys have the last
word and demean others ? That indicate a low self estime. Not agressive
statement like you. Simple observation.

If TPE then exit ;
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182141 is a reply to message #182140] Sun, 14 July 2013 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:
>> Urban myth. [0] I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3
>> “Kepler”) for (from A to Z):
>
> I was sharing my feeling about that program.

And I was telling you about my overall positive experience with it that does
not confirm your feeling. You should be grateful that I did that instead of
complaining.

> Of course, you needed to assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'.

I beg your pardon? It *is* an urban myth that because Eclipse started out
as a Java IDE it is only good or “probably better” for Java development.
That needed to be rectified, and it needed to be mentioned that as Zend,
“the *PHP* company”, is building their IDE on top of the Eclipse platform
and have it based on PDT.

> Need to alwatys have the last word and demean others ?

In what way has my posting demeaned you?

> That indicate a low self estime.

No, your reaction indicates that instead. And a poor command of the English
language (it is spelled _esteem_).

> Not agressive statement like you.

In which way was the information I kindly provided to you and other
subscribers of the newsgroup *in my free time* *aggressive*?

> Simple observation.

You are deluding yourself or have been mislead by others.

> If TPE then exit ;

<http://www.gnurou.org/writing/smartquestionsfr#mozTocId304399>


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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182142 is a reply to message #182131] Sun, 14 July 2013 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:12:29 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>
>>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
>>> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.
>
> So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no
> use for the very expensive thing.
>
> I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java, but I find it
> somehow cumbersome for php.

Can you explain even hypothetically how that could be? You type with
the same fingers in both languages, both can use syntax coloration
in similar ways, if there's a syntax checker it is 99.44% likely to
use a set of rules to do the checking and there's nothing about java
that's more amenable to rules-based syntax checking than php is, both
do version-control things using exactly the same tools and the the
build-test cycle doesn't look particularly different. There may be
differences in what debuggers might be used but those are all plug-ins
anyway as far as I know. So what "better for Java" are you thinking of?

Or are you just pulling that out of your colon so you have something
contradictory to say?

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182143 is a reply to message #182140] Sun, 14 July 2013 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/14/2013 6:06 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:
>
>> Urban myth. [0] I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3
>> “Kepler”)
>> for (from A to Z):
>
> I was sharing my feeling about that program. Of course, you needed to
> assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'. Need to alwatys have the last
> word and demean others ? That indicate a low self estime. Not agressive
> statement like you. Simple observation.
>
> If TPE then exit ;
>

Don't worry about "Pointed Head". He's a well known troll (in several
newsgroups).

I think if you were to work with Eclipse more you might find it more
usable. It does take a bit of getting used to, but it does a lot more
than Komodo's free version. Debugging PHP is one great example. I also
find it easier to manage multiple projects than Komodo.

Eclipse is a full IDE, not just an editor. I used to use Komodo's free
version (I like it) and tried their paid version (it was OK). But I
eventually switched to Eclipse. I find it much better.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182144 is a reply to message #182130] Sun, 14 July 2013 09:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>
>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>
>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>
> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mitch
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>

Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the
difference between HTML and PHP).

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182145 is a reply to message #182130] Sun, 14 July 2013 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:

> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>
>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>
>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>
>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>
> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
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http://validator.w3.org/

This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
the guidelines.
It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
it.
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182146 is a reply to message #182144] Sun, 14 July 2013 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:33:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>
>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>
>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>> J.J. Rousseau
>>
>
> Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the
> difference between HTML and PHP).

That is a damn cheap shot asswipe.
I'm not going to explain the differences.
That's up to the user to find out and learn about.

On my music site, I use a combination of javascript and PHp to create
related pages.
10 lines of code beats writing four hundred lines and having to store
hundreds of seperate files.
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182147 is a reply to message #182146] Sun, 14 July 2013 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/14/2013 12:51 PM, richard wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:33:17 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 3:49 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> > long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> > loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mitch
>>>> > http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> > ---
>>>> > Experience is the best teacher.
>>>>
>>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>
>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>>
>>
>> Mitch, he's talking about the W3 HTML validator (he doesn't know the
>> difference between HTML and PHP).
>
> That is a damn cheap shot asswipe.
> I'm not going to explain the differences.
> That's up to the user to find out and learn about.
>

That's not a cheap shot. Just the truth. Or you would understand the
difference between well-formatted PHP code (which Komodo and Eclipse
both do) and valid HTML.

And you can't even explain the difference.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182148 is a reply to message #182141] Sun, 14 July 2013 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <1471795(dot)Z8K514hNnD(at)PointedEars(dot)de>,
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:

> Mitch Bujard wrote:

>> That indicate a low self estime.
>
> No, your reaction indicates that instead. And a poor command of the English
> language (it is spelled _esteem_).

and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182149 is a reply to message #182145] Sun, 14 July 2013 14:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>
>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>
>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>
>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>
>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>> J.J. Rousseau
>
> http://validator.w3.org/
>
> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
> the guidelines.
> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
> it.
>

Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate
HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of
PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the
HTML validation would be useless.

Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the
following.

* Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
* Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
* Color coding or different elements of the code such and function,
variables and definitions.
* Track back to function definitions.
* Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax errors
as you go.

To name a few.

Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend
less time writing, testing and debugging the better.

Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to what
else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor that
they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they still use
a horse and wagon to get groceries.

Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others
in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
as NOT a good tool.

Scotty
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182150 is a reply to message #182149] Sun, 14 July 2013 15:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott Johnson wrote:

> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others
> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
> as NOT a good tool.

I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it
rather good at first.

But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse
with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
port forwarding for remote debugging.

And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.


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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182151 is a reply to message #182148] Sun, 14 July 2013 15:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tim Streater wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:
>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>> That indicate a low self estime.
>>
>> No, your reaction indicates that instead. And a poor command of the
>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
>
> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borken>
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/borken.html>
<http://cosman246.com/jargon.html#borken>


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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182152 is a reply to message #182151] Sun, 14 July 2013 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <1508882(dot)No4yIBAXv2(at)PointedEars(dot)de>,
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:

> Tim Streater wrote:
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:
>>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>> That indicate a low self estime.
>>>
>>> No, your reaction indicates that instead. And a poor command of the
>>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
>>
>> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borken>
> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/borken.html>
> <http://cosman246.com/jargon.html#borken>

So you're admitting that either you're a dweeb or you like to write in a
way so as to exclude common, ordinary people. Or perhaps both.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182153 is a reply to message #182152] Sun, 14 July 2013 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Tim Streater wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:
>>>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>> > That indicate a low self estime.
>>>>
>>>> No, your reaction indicates that instead. And a poor command of the
>>>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
>>>
>>> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borken>
>> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/B/borken.html>
>> <http://cosman246.com/jargon.html#borken>
>
> So you're admitting that either you're a dweeb or you like to write in a
> way so as to exclude common, ordinary people. Or perhaps both.

You have misspelled “I, Tim, should be admitted because I, blissfully
ignorant and entirely without humor, move into a subculture and criticize
people there for the jargon they are therefore using.” only slightly.


F'up2 where it belongs

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182154 is a reply to message #182150] Sun, 14 July 2013 16:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
>
>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others
>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
>> as NOT a good tool.
>
> I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it
> rather good at first.
>
> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
> both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse
> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
> port forwarding for remote debugging.
>
> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
> too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.
>
>
> PointedEars
>

Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
without a special, for lack of better words, driver.

I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be
something worth looking at.

Scotty
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182160 is a reply to message #182154] Sun, 14 July 2013 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <krv19m$aen$1(at)dont-email(dot)me>,
Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others
>>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
>>> as NOT a good tool.
>>
>> I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it
>> rather good at first.
>>
>> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
>> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
>> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
>> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
>> both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse
>> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
>> port forwarding for remote debugging.
>>
>> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
>> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
>> too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
>> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
>> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
>> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.
>>
>>
>> PointedEars
>>
>
> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
>
> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be
> something worth looking at.
>
> Scotty

What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in
Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of
doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various
sites on the web.

I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you
directly.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182161 is a reply to message #182160] Sun, 14 July 2013 23:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <krv19m$aen$1(at)dont-email(dot)me>,
> Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others
>>>> in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
>>>> as NOT a good tool.
>>>
>>> I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it
>>> rather good at first.
>>>
>>> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
>>> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for PHP
>>> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and Python,
>>> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could access
>>> both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse
>>> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
>>> port forwarding for remote debugging.
>>>
>>> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
>>> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
>>> too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
>>> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
>>> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
>>> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by comparison.
>>>
>>>
>>> PointedEars
>>>
>>
>> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
>> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
>>
>> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be
>> something worth looking at.
>>
>> Scotty
>
> What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in
> Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of
> doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various
> sites on the web.
>
> I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you
> directly.
>

It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with MAC, it is the
phped IDE program from nusphere.

It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'. I guess it is
called WINE that is needed.

But thanks anyhow.

Scotty
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182162 is a reply to message #182161] Mon, 15 July 2013 02:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <krvp5h$h8j$1(at)dont-email(dot)me>,
Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
>> In article <krv19m$aen$1(at)dont-email(dot)me>,
>> Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/14/2013 12:05 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the others
>>>> > in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing stood out
>>>> > as NOT a good tool.
>>>>
>>>> I have used that application before, last time in 2007. IIRC I found it
>>>> rather good at first.
>>>>
>>>> But then I found out that I can do remote debugging with Eclipse PDT and
>>>> Zend Debugger as well, and that I do not need a separate application for
>>>> PHP
>>>> development anymore (I was developing CMS with HTML, CSS, XML, and
>>>> Python,
>>>> and some from-scratch PHP applications at the time because PHP could
>>>> access
>>>> both Access and MySQL databases easily). Later I found out that Eclipse
>>>> with Xdebug works even better because I would not have to set up specific
>>>> port forwarding for remote debugging.
>>>>
>>>> And when I happened to develop on my notebook on GNU/Linux instead of the
>>>> office computer on Windows, I found Eclipse PDT and Xdebug working there,
>>>> too, by contrast to PHPEd. Xdebug, by contrast to Zend Debugger, as a
>>>> Debian package that through the package manager fitting the platform and
>>>> installed PHP version automagically; extracting the correct .dll/.so from
>>>> the ZendDebugger.zip and updating php.ini was quite tedious by
>>>> comparison.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PointedEars
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
>>> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
>>>
>>> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be
>>> something worth looking at.
>>>
>>> Scotty
>>
>> What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in
>> Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of
>> doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various
>> sites on the web.
>>
>> I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you
>> directly.
>>
>
> It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with MAC, it is the
> phped IDE program from nusphere.
>
> It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'. I guess it is
> called WINE that is needed.
>
> But thanks anyhow.
>
> Scotty

I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had
it forever. It a good general code/text editor that knows about all
sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a
function lookup in the Reference for you. Haven't tried it on anything
other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML. But it supports way more
than that.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182163 is a reply to message #182161] Mon, 15 July 2013 03:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <krvp5h$h8j$1(at)dont-email(dot)me>,
Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:

> On 7/14/2013 5:25 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
>> In article <krv19m$aen$1(at)dont-email(dot)me>,
>> Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:

>>> Yeah I was quite disappointed when I found phped not to work on the Mac
>>> without a special, for lack of better words, driver.
>>>
>>> I have used eclipse in the past but not with a debugger. Might be
>>> something worth looking at.

>> What sort of "driver" are you referring to? Just turning on mod_php in
>> Apache? Or installing MySQL from the mysql web site? The process of
>> doing that hasn't changed much since 10.4 and is documented in various
>> sites on the web.
>>
>> I think you should find someone who knows MacOS who can help you
>> directly.

> It is not the PHP in apache that I was having issues with Mac, it is the
> phped IDE program from nusphere.
>
> It was probably confusing when I mentioned 'driver'. I guess it is
> called WINE that is needed.

It appears to be a windows program. I downloaded the trial version. At
no point that I could see did it offer more than one version or indicate
the system requirements. So I threw it away.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182164 is a reply to message #182143] Mon, 15 July 2013 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-07-14 13:31:20 +0000, Jerry Stuckle said:

> On 7/14/2013 6:06 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> On 2013-07-14 09:47:39 +0000, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn said:
>>
>>> Urban myth. [0] I have been or I am using Eclipse (currently 4.3
>>> “Kepler”)
>>> for (from A to Z):
>>
>> I was sharing my feeling about that program. Of course, you needed to
>> assert your ego by stating 'Urban myth'. Need to alwatys have the last
>> word and demean others ? That indicate a low self estime. Not agressive
>> statement like you. Simple observation.
>>
>> If TPE then exit ;
>>
>
> Don't worry about "Pointed Head". He's a well known troll (in several
> newsgroups).
>
> I think if you were to work with Eclipse more you might find it more
> usable. It does take a bit of getting used to, but it does a lot more
> than Komodo's free version. Debugging PHP is one great example. I
> also find it easier to manage multiple projects than Komodo.
>
> Eclipse is a full IDE, not just an editor. I used to use Komodo's free
> version (I like it) and tried their paid version (it was OK). But I
> eventually switched to Eclipse. I find it much better.

Thanks. I shall go back to it and experiment a little more, then. Thanks !

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182165 is a reply to message #182148] Mon, 15 July 2013 11:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-07-14 17:58:02 +0000, Tim Streater said:

> In article <1471795(dot)Z8K514hNnD(at)PointedEars(dot)de>,
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:
>
>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>
>>> That indicate a low self estime.
>>
>> No, your reaction indicates that instead. And a poor command of the
>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
>
> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.

What does that have to do with the topic ? You can't exist beyond being
nasty ? Incapable of bearing fruits ? Incapable of having command of
any other human language ? Forced to point out others defects because
you can bear yours ? Go away, troll. I shall kill all your messages
from now on.
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182166 is a reply to message #182142] Mon, 15 July 2013 11:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-07-14 13:20:56 +0000, Peter H. Coffin said:

> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 10:12:29 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>
>> On 2013-07-13 17:51:09 +0000, Arno Welzel said:
>>
>>>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>>>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
>>>> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.
>>
>> So far, the most convenient I found for php is Komodo free. I see no
>> use for the very expensive thing.
>>
>> I played with Eclipse. It probably is better for Java, but I find it
>> somehow cumbersome for php.
>
> Can you explain even hypothetically how that could be? You type with
> the same fingers in both languages, both can use syntax coloration
> in similar ways, if there's a syntax checker it is 99.44% likely to
> use a set of rules to do the checking and there's nothing about java
> that's more amenable to rules-based syntax checking than php is, both
> do version-control things using exactly the same tools and the the
> build-test cycle doesn't look particularly different. There may be
> differences in what debuggers might be used but those are all plug-ins
> anyway as far as I know. So what "better for Java" are you thinking of?
>
> Or are you just pulling that out of your colon so you have something
> contradictory to say?

Can't you just try to be civilized and refrain from colonics ? Unlike
you, I do not need to be nasty to exchange ideas and respect others
opinions.

I could have read your thoughts and even thanked you for sharing them,
if you did not have to fall into vulgarity.
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182167 is a reply to message #182145] Mon, 15 July 2013 11:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-07-14 16:45:08 +0000, richard said:

> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
> it.

And php is a lot of fun !;°)

Mitch
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On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:

> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> > long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> > loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mitch
>>>> > http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> > ---
>>>> > Experience is the best teacher.
>>>>
>>>> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>
>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Mitch
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>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>
>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>
>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
>> the guidelines.
>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to fix
>> it.
>>
>
> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate
> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of
> PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the
> HTML validation would be useless.
>
> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the following.
>
> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function,
> variables and definitions.
> * Track back to function definitions.
> * Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax errors
> as you go.
>
> To name a few.
>
> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend
> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
>
> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to
> what else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor
> that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they
> still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
>
> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the
> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing
> stood out as NOT a good tool.
>
> Scotty

You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using
html for so long, it is not my main problem.

I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people
chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with
PHPEd, though it looks impressive.

Let me get into what I would additionally need :
- Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)

So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with colors,
, and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is very
nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.

I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All
have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !

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On 2013-07-15 06:08:01 +0000, Michael Vilain said:

> I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had
> it forever. It a good general code/text editor that knows about all
> sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a
> function lookup in the Reference for you. Haven't tried it on anything
> other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML. But it supports way more
> than that.

I did have an older copy of BBEdit but had forgotten it provided
colored code and stuff. Downloaded the last version, it is indeed very
nice. Nicer even the moto of the publisher "it does'nt suck" ! Finally
some humour in the dull world of editors.

Love the "Zap gremlins" option in the dit menu.

Could not locate the equivalent of Komodo's "select to matching brace",
great to debug php when closing braces are all over the place.

Thanks for the reminder, though.

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On 15/07/13 16:19, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> >> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> >> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mitch
>>>> >> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> >> ---
>>>> >> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>> >
>>>> > I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>>
>>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>>
>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>>
>>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys
>>> with
>>> the guidelines.
>>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how
>>> to fix
>>> it.
>>>
>>
>> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate
>> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal
>> of PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case
>> the HTML validation would be useless.
>>
>> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
>> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the
>> following.
>>
>> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
>> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
>> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function,
>> variables and definitions.
>> * Track back to function definitions.
>> * Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax
>> errors as you go.
>>
>> To name a few.
>>
>> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend
>> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
>>
>> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to
>> what else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of
>> honor that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt
>> they still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
>>
>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the
>> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing
>> stood out as NOT a good tool.
>>
>> Scotty
>
> You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using
> html for so long, it is not my main problem.
>
> I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people
> chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with
> PHPEd, though it looks impressive.
>
> Let me get into what I would additionally need :
> - Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)
>
> So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with
> colors, , and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is
> very nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.
>
well plenty of editors do all; that. I use Geany for example.

It's actually almost an IDE.

tends to be linux only, but windows versions are available.

> I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All
> have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
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> Branch Rickey
>
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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182171 is a reply to message #182165] Mon, 15 July 2013 12:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/15/2013 11:03 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
> On 2013-07-14 17:58:02 +0000, Tim Streater said:
>
>> In article <1471795(dot)Z8K514hNnD(at)PointedEars(dot)de>,
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> wrote:
>>
>>> Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>
>>>> That indicate a low self estime.
>>>
>>> No, your reaction indicates that instead. And a poor command of the
>>> English language (it is spelled _esteem_).
>>
>> and "broken" is not spelled "borken", a mistake you frequently make.
>
> What does that have to do with the topic ? You can't exist beyond being
> nasty ? Incapable of bearing fruits ? Incapable of having command of any
> other human language ? Forced to point out others defects because you
> can bear yours ? Go away, troll. I shall kill all your messages from now
> on.
>

Mitch,

Tim is just calling a known troll on his posts. Pointed Head is well
known for worthless, off-topic posts, often times criticizing people on
their spelling or choice of words just so he can stroke his ego.


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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182172 is a reply to message #182169] Mon, 15 July 2013 13:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <51e41a51$0$3740$426a74cc(at)news(dot)free(dot)fr>,
Mitch Bujard <cli(dot)mb(at)schoolfonts(dot)com> wrote:

> On 2013-07-15 06:08:01 +0000, Michael Vilain said:
>
>> I don't use an IDE, per se. I have Zend, but I use BBEdit since I've had
>> it forever. It a good general code/text editor that knows about all
>> sorts of languages, does syntax color coding and in some case will do a
>> function lookup in the Reference for you. Haven't tried it on anything
>> other than C, CSS, PHP, PERL, SQL, or HTML. But it supports way more
>> than that.
>
> I did have an older copy of BBEdit but had forgotten it provided
> colored code and stuff. Downloaded the last version, it is indeed very
> nice. Nicer even the moto of the publisher "it does'nt suck" ! Finally
> some humour in the dull world of editors.
>
> Love the "Zap gremlins" option in the dit menu.
>
> Could not locate the equivalent of Komodo's "select to matching brace",
> great to debug php when closing braces are all over the place.

That's easy. Double-click just inside an opening or closing brace
selects to the corresponding closing or opening brace. Or, IIRC, you do
cmd-B, it spreads a selection in both directions from the current
insertion point to the enclosing braces.

You might want to look at TextWrangler also from BareBones, which has
most of BBedit but is free.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182173 is a reply to message #182168] Mon, 15 July 2013 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <51e412ff$0$2212$426a74cc(at)news(dot)free(dot)fr>,
Mitch Bujard <cli(dot)mb(at)schoolfonts(dot)com> wrote:

> On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:
>
>> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>>
>>>> > On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> >> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> >> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Mitch
>>>> >> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> >> ---
>>>> >> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>> >
>>>> > I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>>
>>>> Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Mitch
>>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> ---
>>>> Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>>> J.J. Rousseau
>>>
>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>>
>>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
>>> the guidelines.
>>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to
>>> fix
>>> it.
>>>
>>
>> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate
>> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of
>> PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the
>> HTML validation would be useless.
>>
>> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
>> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the
>> following.
>>
>> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
>> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
>> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function,
>> variables and definitions.
>> * Track back to function definitions.
>> * Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax errors
>> as you go.
>>
>> To name a few.
>>
>> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend
>> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
>>
>> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to
>> what else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor
>> that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they
>> still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
>>
>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the
>> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing
>> stood out as NOT a good tool.
>>
>> Scotty
>
> You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using
> html for so long, it is not my main problem.
>
> I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people
> chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with
> PHPEd, though it looks impressive.
>
> Let me get into what I would additionally need :
> - Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)
>
> So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with colors,
> , and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is very
> nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.
>
> I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All
> have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !
>
> Mitch
> http://www.FontMenu.com
> ---
> Luck is the residue of design.
> Branch Rickey

Try Netbeans with the PHP enhancements. It's free.

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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182174 is a reply to message #182125] Mon, 15 July 2013 14:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/13/13 8:59 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
>> and conditional where not indented.
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>
>
> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.
>
I personally prefer PhpStorm. I was a Java developer before and used
IntelliJ, the Java IDE from the same people. Yes, it costs money. Its
more than worth it, if you learn to utilize the advanced features.

I tried Eclipse long ago, and maybe it has come a long way, but I find
that it is a few steps behind whatever Jetbrains produces. It does have
a larger community behind it however, and that may be worth something.
Though Jetbrains being a commercial company, they are more likely to
address any bugs, or they risk losing your business.

One of my colleagues uses vi and zsh, with a highly custom
configuration. I like vi, but for any real size project I prefer an IDE
with good navigation features, code completion, auto-importing, and
refactoring support.

It all comes down to personal preference and budget.
Re: Komodo Edit [message #182175 is a reply to message #182173] Mon, 15 July 2013 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 7/15/2013 1:42 PM, Michael Vilain wrote:
> In article <51e412ff$0$2212$426a74cc(at)news(dot)free(dot)fr>,
> Mitch Bujard <cli(dot)mb(at)schoolfonts(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-07-14 18:12:04 +0000, Scott Johnson said:
>>
>>> On 7/14/2013 9:45 AM, richard wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 09:49:34 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 2013-07-13 18:55:57 +0000, richard said:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013 16:51:00 +0200, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>>> >>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where
>>>> >>> loops and conditional where not indented.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Mitch
>>>> >>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> >>> ---
>>>> >>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I just use notepad++ and run it through a validator.
>>>> >
>>>> > Which validator do you use ? What does it do ?
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mitch
>>>> > http://www.FontMenu.com
>>>> > ---
>>>> > Patience is bitter, but its fruit is sweet.
>>>> > J.J. Rousseau
>>>>
>>>> http://validator.w3.org/
>>>>
>>>> This validator checks the html output to make sure the code complys with
>>>> the guidelines.
>>>> It is a great tool for finding things that are wrong.
>>>> If you used php to create the page and it finds error, then you need to
>>>> find out where in the php code the error was generated and learn how to
>>>> fix
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Richard, what you recommend is OK if all you need to do is validate
>>> HTML, but as Mitch will find out if he has not already, a great deal of
>>> PHP written may have nothing to do with HTML output in which case the
>>> HTML validation would be useless.
>>>
>>> Mitch is looking for, from what I gather, a tool to help write PHP.
>>> I have personally found a good tool provides, but not limited to the
>>> following.
>>>
>>> * Easy formatting of indented and readable code.
>>> * Tool-tips to speed up reuse of variables and function arguments.
>>> * Color coding or different elements of the code such and function,
>>> variables and definitions.
>>> * Track back to function definitions.
>>> * Source level error checking. Example: Find the simple syntax errors
>>> as you go.
>>>
>>> To name a few.
>>>
>>> Though none of this is required to write PHP, anything to help spend
>>> less time writing, testing and debugging the better.
>>>
>>> Notepad just does not provide a practical approach when compared to
>>> what else is available. I have heard some hold it as a badge of honor
>>> that they use a simple text editor to write code, but I doubt they
>>> still use a horse and wagon to get groceries.
>>>
>>> Anyhow I personally use PHPEd from nusphere. I have not used the
>>> others in-depth, except for trial but from what I remember, nothing
>>> stood out as NOT a good tool.
>>>
>>> Scotty
>>
>> You are right, Scotty, I am looking for help in php. I have been using
>> html for so long, it is not my main problem.
>>
>> I forgot to mention that I am using Mac (ouch, I see a hurd of people
>> chasing me with forks). Unfortunately, I will not be able to play with
>> PHPEd, though it looks impressive.
>>
>> Let me get into what I would additionally need :
>> - Auto indent (I developed under RealBasic and it does that very well)
>>
>> So far, Komodo checks php snytax on the fly, enhances code with colors,
>> , and it provides check of open and closed braces {}, which is very
>> nice. Which is quite allright and gets a lot of work done.
>>
>> I was looking for knowledgeable and positive remarks and pointers. All
>> have been warmly appreciated. Thank you !
>>
>> Mitch
>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>> ---
>> Luck is the residue of design.
>> Branch Rickey
>
> Try Netbeans with the PHP enhancements. It's free.
>

Michael,

I agree Netbeans is also very good. I've used it in the past, and was
happy with it. It's just a personal preference that I like Eclipse. If
Eclipse weren't available (or as good as it is), I probably would be
using Netbeans.


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Re: Komodo Edit [message #182176 is a reply to message #182174] Mon, 15 July 2013 18:04 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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In article <PQWEt.59499$_V5(dot)41083(at)fx18(dot)iad>,
Daniel Pitts <newsgroup(dot)nospam(at)virtualinfinity(dot)net> wrote:

> On 7/13/13 8:59 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 7/13/2013 10:51 AM, Mitch Bujard wrote:
>>> I found Komodo Edit on sourceforge, and find it extremely useful for
>>> long scripts, ith the automatic indentation that cleans code where loops
>>> and conditional where not indented.
>>>
>>> Mitch
>>> http://www.FontMenu.com
>>> ---
>>> Experience is the best teacher.
>>>
>>
>> Komodo edit is OK, but you have to pay to get the entire IDE.
>> Personally, I prefer Eclipse. It's completely free and has more
>> features available. But then I use it for Java, also.
>>
> I personally prefer PhpStorm. I was a Java developer before and used
> IntelliJ, the Java IDE from the same people. Yes, it costs money. Its
> more than worth it, if you learn to utilize the advanced features.
>
> I tried Eclipse long ago, and maybe it has come a long way, but I find
> that it is a few steps behind whatever Jetbrains produces. It does have
> a larger community behind it however, and that may be worth something.
> Though Jetbrains being a commercial company, they are more likely to
> address any bugs, or they risk losing your business.
>
> One of my colleagues uses vi and zsh, with a highly custom
> configuration. I like vi, but for any real size project I prefer an IDE
> with good navigation features, code completion, auto-importing, and
> refactoring support.
>
> It all comes down to personal preference and budget.

A friend started using IntelliJ at a prior job that ended with the
company being bought out. He ended up buying his own personal copy of
IntelliJ for his laptop mostly because places where he's be hired or
contract only would use Eclipse.

The last company hired him to 'fix their build process' which he did.
Unfortunately the chief tech officer made most of the bad decisions that
lead to the broken build system and my friend wasn't very politic in
hiding his displeasure at the lame-brained stupid assed design decisions
he had to fix. When they came to him to turn the app into an iPhone
app, he told them to buy him a Mac. When he told them that iPhone apps
can only be developed on MacOS and signed by Xcode, they went away
grumbling. They fired him at the end of the day.

Recruiters still call him for 'hot positions' in this company. He tells
them the horror story and advises them to focus their efforts on making
money elsewhere.

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