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is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186236] Sat, 21 June 2014 11:12 Go to next message
nawfer is currently offline  nawfer
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if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam

the dfault php mail function isn't good?
is necessary smtp ?
if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
isn't good?

I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
but would like know if I is possible

to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or
if is mandatory to use mailchimp


Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
configuration that can to do all the

work instead of mailchimp or similar?
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186240 is a reply to message #186236] Sat, 21 June 2014 13:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
J.O. Aho is currently offline  J.O. Aho
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On 21/06/14 17:12, nawfer wrote:
> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam

Depends on the spam rules at the receiving MTA, some don't do much spam
filtering, others are quite strict and even drops the mail without
notifying the sender nor the person to whom the mail was sent to.


> the dfault php mail function isn't good?

It works fine. Just see to that the mail don't have what the receiving
MTA thinks i spam.


> is necessary smtp ?

yes.


> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
> isn't good?

There are loads of howto's how to install different MTA on your own
server. Default settings works for sending mail, just receiving which
default disabled.


> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
> but would like know if I is possible

That is quite many mails for a small mail list, over 300 a day. The send
amount depends on your bandwidth. If you send spam, then prepare on
getting up to 1200 notifications a day that you couldn't send the mail.


If you want just a serious mail list, there are mailman, but do not add
users just for you think it's relevant for them, as this is illegal in
many countries and you will most likely be blacklisted too.


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Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186242 is a reply to message #186236] Sat, 21 June 2014 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 21/06/14 16:12, nawfer wrote:
> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam
>
> the dfault php mail function isn't good?
> is necessary smtp ?
> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
> isn't good?
>
> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
> but would like know if I is possible
>
> to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or
> if is mandatory to use mailchimp
>
>
> Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
> configuration that can to do all the
>
> work instead of mailchimp or similar?
>

set up e.g, exim on your linux.

php mail() will then use that.
I have done this but it is not a trivial exercise.

Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host?



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Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186243 is a reply to message #186242] Sat, 21 June 2014 14:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 21-6-2014 20:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host?

or a host that will be blocked soon because of the spam that coming from
it.......
Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186247 is a reply to message #186236] Sat, 21 June 2014 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/21/2014 11:12 AM, nawfer wrote:
> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam
>
> the dfault php mail function isn't good?
> is necessary smtp ?
> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default configuration
> isn't good?
>
> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
> but would like know if I is possible
>
> to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or
> if is mandatory to use mailchimp
>
>
> Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
> configuration that can to do all the
>
> work instead of mailchimp or similar?
>

It's never *mandatory* to use *anything*.

The php mail() function is OK, but has its limitations. There are other
PHP APIs such as phpmailer, which is much more flexible.

You can set up your own smtp server, but that's not a PHP problem. You
would need to check on what's available for your server.

As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem. Check some of
the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through
without it being considered SPAM.

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Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186248 is a reply to message #186242] Sat, 21 June 2014 15:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/21/2014 2:03 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 21/06/14 16:12, nawfer wrote:
>> if I have a server linux, and use for example phplist is possible
>> to send newsletter in a safely mode, delivered and not how spam
>>
>> the dfault php mail function isn't good?
>> is necessary smtp ?
>> if smtp is better, how to set an own smtp server, the default
>> configuration
>> isn't good?
>>
>> I not need big traffic; 5000-10000(at moment) emails/month is sufficient
>> but would like know if I is possible
>>
>> to do directly with php mail function, or with smtp or
>> if is mandatory to use mailchimp
>>
>>
>> Isn't possible to use php mail function or have a smtp server with good
>> configuration that can to do all the
>>
>> work instead of mailchimp or similar?
>>
>
> set up e.g, exim on your linux.
>
> php mail() will then use that.
> I have done this but it is not a trivial exercise.
>
> Ids your linux system domestic or virtual host?
>
>
>

Probably the only MTA harder to secure properly than EXIM is sendmail.

It is NOT something I would recommend for someone who has to ask such
questions.

P.S. No wonder TNP doesn't use his real name or email address - he
probably doesn't want spammers to find his Exim system is wide open.

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Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186256 is a reply to message #186247] Sat, 21 June 2014 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:29:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem. Check some of
> the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through
> without it being considered SPAM.

Amazingly, I find that not sending spam helps.

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Re: is possible with own mail server have same results of mailchimp? [message #186257 is a reply to message #186256] Sat, 21 June 2014 19:41 Go to previous message
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On 6/21/2014 7:24 PM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 15:29:04 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> As for being regarded as SPAM - again, not a PHP problem. Check some of
>> the email-related groups to get hints on how to get your email through
>> without it being considered SPAM.
>
> Amazingly, I find that not sending spam helps.
>

True, but he indicated he's sending a newsletter. I would hope this is
a double opt-in newsletter. Just trying to give him the benefit of the
doubt.

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