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Wikipedia coverage [message #158028] Tue, 20 January 2009 03:08 Go to next message
naudefj is currently offline  naudefj   South Africa
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An article about FUDforum is now available on the Wikipedia site at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUDforum. Please feel free to improve and expand it by hitting the "Edit this page" link.

Unfortunately the article is only available in English at this time. It would be great if you guys can help to translate it into other languages as well.

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Frank
Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161724 is a reply to message #158028] Mon, 01 February 2010 12:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi,

This article was nominated for deletion. Apparently it is not "notable" enough to be listed on Wikipedia. I, however, strongly disagree! If you know of any "notable" references, please help by voting against it over at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/FUDforum

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Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161727 is a reply to message #161724] Mon, 01 February 2010 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Short article on phpdeveloper.org

http://www.phpdeveloper.org/news/6364

Clearly we could use more "legit" press.

It's being proposed for deletion because it fails the Notability guideline. Here's the guideline in full:

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General notability guideline
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WP:GNG
WP:SIGCOV

If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article.

* "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention but it need not be the main topic of the source material.[1]
* "Reliable" means sources need editorial integrity to allow verifiable evaluation of notability, per the reliable source guideline. Sources may encompass published works in all forms and media. Availability of secondary sources covering the subject is a good test for notability.
* "Sources,"[2] for notability purposes, should be secondary sources, as those provide the most objective evidence of notability. The number and nature of reliable sources needed varies depending on the depth of coverage and quality of the sources. Multiple sources are generally preferred.[3]
* "Independent of the subject" excludes works produced by those affiliated with the subject including (but not limited to): self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, autobiographies, press releases, etc.[4]
* "Presumed" means that significant coverage in reliable sources establishes a presumption, not a guarantee, that a subject is suitable for inclusion. Editors may reach a consensus that although a topic meets this criterion, it is not appropriate for a standalone article. For example, such an article may violate what Wikipedia is not.[5]


I think the complaint that it's mostly referenced on blogs is overturned easily enough since the guideline is clear enough that "sources may encompass published works in all forms and media".

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Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161728 is a reply to message #161727] Mon, 01 February 2010 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The main problem with "notability" is that it is subjective and open to interpretation. Thousands, if not millions, of users are using the software every single day, but the techies behind these sites are normally not the most verbose bunch. Other considerations/ complications include:
- Anyone running a "competing" forum may never think FUDforum is notable.
- Spelling, FUDforum was once known as "FUD forum".
- I understand that FUDforum was even slashdotted at some stage, but I cannot find a URL.
Etc.

Anyway, it would be great if you can register a "KEEP" vote on the above page.

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Frank
Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161729 is a reply to message #161728] Mon, 01 February 2010 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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naudefj wrote on Mon, 01 February 2010 13:36
The main problem with "notability" is that it is subjective and open to interpretation.


Yep, and we have to offer our countervailing interpretation.

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Anyway, it would be great if you can register a "KEEP" vote on the above page.


Spent almost 45 minutes there today trying to decipher how to do that; any ideas?
Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161736 is a reply to message #161729] Tue, 02 February 2010 05:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kerryg het op Tue, 02 February 2010 00:13 geskryf:
Spent almost 45 minutes there today trying to decipher how to do that; any ideas?


Updating wikipedia can be a bit daunting. You basically need to ensure you are logged on, navigate to the article, hit 'edit', append your motivation to the textarea and click 'Save'. Your motivation must be formatted like this:

*'''KEEP''': Your reason. Regards. ~~~~

* will be rendered as a new bullet point.
'''text''' will render text in bold.
~~~~ will be expanded to your userid and the current timestamp.
Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161794 is a reply to message #161736] Sun, 07 February 2010 03:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Guys, please go and vote for this page to be kept on wikipedia. Just a simple "keep" vote without reason will already help.
Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161800 is a reply to message #161794] Sun, 07 February 2010 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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K, did it (if somewhat inexpertly); looks like the deletion request has now pretty much been withdrawn anyway. Good work.

If you can start a Wiki page for media citations and throw one in as a template for desired formatting, I'll gather those links up and put them in.
Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161801 is a reply to message #161800] Sun, 07 February 2010 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you very much Kerry!

Let's start at Media citations. Don't worry too much about the syntax. Just paste the info into the page. I'll fix it up later.
Re: Wikipedia coverage [message #161802 is a reply to message #161801] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:35 Go to previous message
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OK, got a few up there, more as time permits.
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