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Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #158942] Fri, 17 April 2009 16:14 Go to next message
Peter Vendike is currently offline  Peter Vendike   Denmark
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Just underneath top menu, you find the menu:
Show: Today's Messages :: Unread Messages :: Unanswered Messages :: Show Polls :: Message Navigator

Message Navigator:
I don't get any logic result from that search ???????
(FUD version 2.8.0)

(Date range: "newer than" "older than" does not give plausible results)
Re: Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #159153 is a reply to message #158942] Sat, 09 May 2009 03:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
naudefj is currently offline  naudefj   South Africa
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I've just used the "Message Navigator" on this forum, and it seems to work quite well. Why do you think it's not giving "plausible results"?
Re: Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #159156 is a reply to message #159153] Sat, 09 May 2009 07:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peter Vendike is currently offline  Peter Vendike   Denmark
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Hej Frank

Thank you for checking it.

I believe this is a typical example of adaption. In all cases (newer then) must be >=(older then).
In my original "feeling" of this, I would search for messages older then "X" (from today) but at the same time newer then "Y" days old. (fields opposite)

Maybe one could just add some explicit explanation.
Re: Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #159167 is a reply to message #159156] Sun, 10 May 2009 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Would it help if we swap these messages or do we need to somehow change them?

mnav_newer:                     newer than
mnav_older:                     older than
Re: Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #159172 is a reply to message #159167] Sun, 10 May 2009 15:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe I'm not understanding the question correctly, but how about if you just changed the text in the template to something a bit more plain speaking and conversational - like "Search for posts made between ____________ and ___________ ( _____ ) ago"?

[Updated on: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:28]

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Re: Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #159258 is a reply to message #159172] Sat, 16 May 2009 11:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Peter Vendike is currently offline  Peter Vendike   Denmark
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kerryg wrote on Sun, 10 May 2009 21:25
Maybe I'm not understanding the question correctly, but how about if you just changed the text in the template to something a bit more plain speaking and conversational - like "Search for posts made between ____________ and ___________ ( _____ ) ago"?



Yes something like that I was thinking of, because "newer than x day(s)" is logical for programmers, but not usual daily speaking.

The problem in Kerry's formulation is, do you put oldest (largest) day first or last in normal speaking? I don't think there is a standard solution for that, but if we take the bigger number from these two to be "newer than" and the smaller "older than" it would always give the correct period solution, (also taking |-x| always positive numbers if someone should think of putting negative numbers in).

There also is missing some "mouse move over" help text for the message navigator, something like "browse messages from specific period of time"

Last I would like the search to work so that if you put in a period of say 8-8 days, you would get results which are 8 days old, where you now get nothing, you have to put something like 9-8 ore 7-8 for one day search.

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Re: Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #159259 is a reply to message #159258] Sat, 16 May 2009 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We have a pretty common cultural conceit that time flows from left to right, no doubt because it's the way we read (I'd imagine the reverse would be true in cultures that read from right to left).

The formulation of the query does seem "programmer-ish". Ranges like "six months" are natural enough when you're doing a single-ended query like "search back two years". But when it's a constrained range, I usually don't want to figure out what "from eighteen months ago to six months ago" translates to, I usually just want to see "search between [june 2007] and [june 2008]".

(Popup calendars are nice for that too Very Happy)

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Re: Message Navigator: No logical search function [message #159265 is a reply to message #159259] Sun, 17 May 2009 02:33 Go to previous message
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You're totally right.

So we should compute the dates corresponding to the period in days / months / a.s.o., it would look more professional too.



I found this link with example programming:

http://www.esqsoft.com/javascript_examples/date-to-epoch.htm

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