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file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179584] Sat, 10 November 2012 15:06 Go to next message
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http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx

The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it into the
address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
file_get_contents I get the error message,

Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]: failed
to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found

Any help would be appreciated.

Charlie
Re: file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179585 is a reply to message #179584] Sat, 10 November 2012 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10-11-2012 21:06, Charlie wrote:
> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>
> The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it into the
> address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
> file_get_contents I get the error message,
>
> Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
> 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]: failed
> to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Charlie
>

When i visit the page, AND debug this site using Fiddler* i see a 404 too.

*Fiddler: http://www.fiddler2.com
Re: file_get_contents doesn't access one URL [message #179599 is a reply to message #179584] Mon, 12 November 2012 08:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Charlie" <shymathguy(at)gmail(dot)com> schreef in bericht
news:9d2b587e-ec50-47cf-bec8-97b6b47c60e4(at)k6g2000vbr(dot)googlegroups(dot)com...
> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>
> The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it into the
> address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
> file_get_contents I get the error message,
>
> Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
> 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]: failed
> to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>
> Any help would be appreciated.

Two possible problems to investigate:

1: '/' is url-encoded ('~2F'). What happens if you don't do that?

2: you may have to send a 'host:' header:
(example copied from the php site and modified)

<?php
// Create a stream
$opts = array(
'http'=>array(
'method'=>"GET",
'header'=>"Host: www.philadelphia.careerboard.com\r\n"
)
);

$context = stream_context_create($opts);

// Open the file using the HTTP headers set above
$file =
file_get_contents('http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx',
false, $context);
?>
Re: file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179601 is a reply to message #179585] Mon, 12 November 2012 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:19:29 +0100, Luuk wrote:

> On 10-11-2012 21:06, Charlie wrote:
>> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
DBA.aspx
>>
>> The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it into the
>> address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
>> file_get_contents I get the error message,
>>
>> Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
>> 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to
>> open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found

> When i visit the page, AND debug this site using Fiddler* i see a 404
> too.

Firefox sees a web page. Wget sees a 301 redirect followed by a 404:

$ wget http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
DBA.aspx
--2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/
job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
Resolving www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
(www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)... 64.74.112.101
Connecting to www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
(www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)|64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
Location: http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
DBA.aspx [following]
--2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-
MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
Resolving philadelphia.careerboard.com (philadelphia.careerboard.com)...
64.74.112.101
Connecting to philadelphia.careerboard.com (philadelphia.careerboard.com)|
64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
2012-11-12 13:28:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.

Rgds

Denis McMahon
Re: file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179603 is a reply to message #179601] Mon, 12 November 2012 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 11/12/2012 8:38 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:19:29 +0100, Luuk wrote:
>
>> On 10-11-2012 21:06, Charlie wrote:
>>> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
> DBA.aspx
>>>
>>> The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it into the
>>> address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
>>> file_get_contents I get the error message,
>>>
>>> Warning: file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
>>> 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]: failed to
>>> open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>
>> When i visit the page, AND debug this site using Fiddler* i see a 404
>> too.
>
> Firefox sees a web page. Wget sees a 301 redirect followed by a 404:
>
> $ wget http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
> DBA.aspx
> --2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/
> job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
> Resolving www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)... 64.74.112.101
> Connecting to www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)|64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
> Location: http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
> DBA.aspx [following]
> --2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-
> MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
> Resolving philadelphia.careerboard.com (philadelphia.careerboard.com)...
> 64.74.112.101
> Connecting to philadelphia.careerboard.com (philadelphia.careerboard.com)|
> 64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> 2012-11-12 13:28:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>
> Rgds
>
> Denis McMahon
>

Denis,

Not quite. Firefox gets the same 301 and 404. But FF loads some
Javascript (must be part of the 404 error page) and continues processing
from there.

They are obviously doing what they can to prevent people from doing just
what the op is trying to do.


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Re: file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179607 is a reply to message #179603] Mon, 12 November 2012 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 11/12/2012 8:38 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:19:29 +0100, Luuk wrote:
>>
>>> On 10-11-2012 21:06, Charlie wrote:
>>>> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>> DBA.aspx
>>>>
>>>> The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it into the
>>>> address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
>>>> file_get_contents I get the error message,
>>>>
>>>> Warning:
>>>> file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
>>>> 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]:
>>>> failed to
>>>> open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>>
>>> When i visit the page, AND debug this site using Fiddler* i see a 404
>>> too.
>>
>> Firefox sees a web page. Wget sees a 301 redirect followed by a 404:
>>
>> $ wget
>> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>> DBA.aspx
>> --2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/
>> job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>> Resolving www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)... 64.74.112.101
>> Connecting to www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)|64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>> Location: http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>> DBA.aspx [following]
>> --2012-11-12 13:28:57--
>> http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-
>> MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>> Resolving philadelphia.careerboard.com (philadelphia.careerboard.com)...
>> 64.74.112.101
>> Connecting to philadelphia.careerboard.com
>> (philadelphia.careerboard.com)|
>> 64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>> 2012-11-12 13:28:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>>
>> Rgds
>>
>> Denis McMahon
>>
>
> Denis,
>
> Not quite. Firefox gets the same 301 and 404. But FF loads some
> Javascript (must be part of the 404 error page) and continues
> processing from there.
>
> They are obviously doing what they can to prevent people from doing
> just what the op is trying to do.
>

I have Javascript disabled and the page still loads in Firefox.

Could it have anything to do with using an HttpOnly cookie?

HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:56:50 GMT
....
Set-Cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=kyj2do654xkl2auwhtsjrvyo; path=/; HttpOnly
....

From http://php.net/manual/en/function.setcookie.php

When TRUE the cookie will be made accessible only through the HTTP
protocol. This means that the cookie won't be accessible by scripting
languages, such as JavaScript. It has been suggested that this setting
can effectively help to reduce identity theft through XSS attacks
(although it is not supported by all browsers), but that claim is often
disputed. Added in PHP 5.2.0. TRUE or FALSE

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Re: file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179608 is a reply to message #179607] Mon, 12 November 2012 17:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 11/12/2012 4:01 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 11/12/2012 8:38 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:19:29 +0100, Luuk wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10-11-2012 21:06, Charlie wrote:
>>>> > http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>> DBA.aspx
>>>> >
>>>> > The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it into the
>>>> > address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
>>>> > file_get_contents I get the error message,
>>>> >
>>>> > Warning:
>>>> > file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
>>>> > 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]:
>>>> > failed to
>>>> > open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>>>
>>>> When i visit the page, AND debug this site using Fiddler* i see a 404
>>>> too.
>>>
>>> Firefox sees a web page. Wget sees a 301 redirect followed by a 404:
>>>
>>> $ wget
>>> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>> DBA.aspx
>>> --2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/
>>> job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>>> Resolving www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)... 64.74.112.101
>>> Connecting to www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)|64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>>> Location: http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>> DBA.aspx [following]
>>> --2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-
>>> MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>>> Resolving philadelphia.careerboard.com (philadelphia.careerboard.com)...
>>> 64.74.112.101
>>> Connecting to philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>> (philadelphia.careerboard.com)|
>>> 64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>>> 2012-11-12 13:28:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>>>
>>> Rgds
>>>
>>> Denis McMahon
>>>
>>
>> Denis,
>>
>> Not quite. Firefox gets the same 301 and 404. But FF loads some
>> Javascript (must be part of the 404 error page) and continues
>> processing from there.
>>
>> They are obviously doing what they can to prevent people from doing
>> just what the op is trying to do.
>>
>
> I have Javascript disabled and the page still loads in Firefox.
>
> Could it have anything to do with using an HttpOnly cookie?
>
> HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:56:50 GMT
> ...
> Set-Cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=kyj2do654xkl2auwhtsjrvyo; path=/; HttpOnly
> ...
>
> From http://php.net/manual/en/function.setcookie.php
>
> When TRUE the cookie will be made accessible only through the HTTP
> protocol. This means that the cookie won't be accessible by scripting
> languages, such as JavaScript. It has been suggested that this setting
> can effectively help to reduce identity theft through XSS attacks
> (although it is not supported by all browsers), but that claim is often
> disputed. Added in PHP 5.2.0. TRUE or FALSE
>

I didn't actually try it with javascript disabled - I just looked at the
headers. But it obviously is an attempt to not allow just what you're
trying to do.

Do you have the owner's permission to access the page via a script? If
so, the webmaster should be able to help you.

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Re: file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179609 is a reply to message #179608] Mon, 12 November 2012 20:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 11/12/2012 4:01 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 11/12/2012 8:38 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:19:29 +0100, Luuk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 10-11-2012 21:06, Charlie wrote:
>>>> >> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>>> DBA.aspx
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it
>>>> >> into the
>>>> >> address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
>>>> >> file_get_contents I get the error message,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Warning:
>>>> >> file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
>>>> >> 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]:
>>>> >> failed to
>>>> >> open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>>>>
>>>> > When i visit the page, AND debug this site using Fiddler* i see a 404
>>>> > too.
>>>>
>>>> Firefox sees a web page. Wget sees a 301 redirect followed by a 404:
>>>>
>>>> $ wget
>>>> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>>> DBA.aspx
>>>> --2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/
>>>> job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>>>> Resolving www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)... 64.74.112.101
>>>> Connecting to www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)|64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>>>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>>>> Location:
>>>> http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>>> DBA.aspx [following]
>>>> --2012-11-12 13:28:57--
>>>> http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-
>>>> MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>>>> Resolving philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> (philadelphia.careerboard.com)...
>>>> 64.74.112.101
>>>> Connecting to philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> (philadelphia.careerboard.com)|
>>>> 64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>>>> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>>>> 2012-11-12 13:28:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>>>>
>>>> Rgds
>>>>
>>>> Denis McMahon
>>>>
>>>
>>> Denis,
>>>
>>> Not quite. Firefox gets the same 301 and 404. But FF loads some
>>> Javascript (must be part of the 404 error page) and continues
>>> processing from there.
>>>
>>> They are obviously doing what they can to prevent people from doing
>>> just what the op is trying to do.
>>>
>>
>> I have Javascript disabled and the page still loads in Firefox.
>>
>> Could it have anything to do with using an HttpOnly cookie?
>>
>> HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:56:50 GMT
>> ...
>> Set-Cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=kyj2do654xkl2auwhtsjrvyo; path=/; HttpOnly
>> ...
>>
>> From http://php.net/manual/en/function.setcookie.php
>>
>> When TRUE the cookie will be made accessible only through the HTTP
>> protocol. This means that the cookie won't be accessible by scripting
>> languages, such as JavaScript. It has been suggested that this setting
>> can effectively help to reduce identity theft through XSS attacks
>> (although it is not supported by all browsers), but that claim is often
>> disputed. Added in PHP 5.2.0. TRUE or FALSE
>>
>
> I didn't actually try it with javascript disabled - I just looked at
> the headers. But it obviously is an attempt to not allow just what
> you're trying to do.
>
> Do you have the owner's permission to access the page via a script?
> If so, the webmaster should be able to help you.
>

I am not the OP. I am merely speculating on how it is done.

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Re: file_get_contents doesn’t access one URL [message #179615 is a reply to message #179609] Tue, 13 November 2012 08:49 Go to previous message
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On 11/12/2012 8:13 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 11/12/2012 4:01 PM, Chuck Anderson wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 11/12/2012 8:38 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:19:29 +0100, Luuk wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 10-11-2012 21:06, Charlie wrote:
>>>> >>> http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>>> > DBA.aspx
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The above is a legitimate URL that I can access by copying it
>>>> >>> into the
>>>> >>> address field of my browser. However, as an argument to
>>>> >>> file_get_contents I get the error message,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Warning:
>>>> >>> file_get_contents(http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/
>>>> >>> 3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx) [function.file-get-contents]:
>>>> >>> failed to
>>>> >>> open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>>>> >
>>>> >> When i visit the page, AND debug this site using Fiddler* i see a 404
>>>> >> too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Firefox sees a web page. Wget sees a 301 redirect followed by a 404:
>>>> >
>>>> > $ wget
>>>> > http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>>> > DBA.aspx
>>>> > --2012-11-12 13:28:57-- http://www.philadelphia.careerboard.com/
>>>> > job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>>>> > Resolving www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> > (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)... 64.74.112.101
>>>> > Connecting to www.philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> > (www.philadelphia.careerboard.com)|64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>>>> > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently
>>>> > Location:
>>>> > http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-MUMPS~2FCache-
>>>> > DBA.aspx [following]
>>>> > --2012-11-12 13:28:57--
>>>> > http://philadelphia.careerboard.com/job/3167962-
>>>> > MUMPS~2FCache-DBA.aspx
>>>> > Resolving philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> > (philadelphia.careerboard.com)...
>>>> > 64.74.112.101
>>>> > Connecting to philadelphia.careerboard.com
>>>> > (philadelphia.careerboard.com)|
>>>> > 64.74.112.101|:80... connected.
>>>> > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
>>>> > 2012-11-12 13:28:57 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>>>> >
>>>> > Rgds
>>>> >
>>>> > Denis McMahon
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Denis,
>>>>
>>>> Not quite. Firefox gets the same 301 and 404. But FF loads some
>>>> Javascript (must be part of the 404 error page) and continues
>>>> processing from there.
>>>>
>>>> They are obviously doing what they can to prevent people from doing
>>>> just what the op is trying to do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have Javascript disabled and the page still loads in Firefox.
>>>
>>> Could it have anything to do with using an HttpOnly cookie?
>>>
>>> HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found
>>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:56:50 GMT
>>> ...
>>> Set-Cookie: ASP.NET_SessionId=kyj2do654xkl2auwhtsjrvyo; path=/; HttpOnly
>>> ...
>>>
>>> From http://php.net/manual/en/function.setcookie.php
>>>
>>> When TRUE the cookie will be made accessible only through the HTTP
>>> protocol. This means that the cookie won't be accessible by scripting
>>> languages, such as JavaScript. It has been suggested that this setting
>>> can effectively help to reduce identity theft through XSS attacks
>>> (although it is not supported by all browsers), but that claim is often
>>> disputed. Added in PHP 5.2.0. TRUE or FALSE
>>>
>>
>> I didn't actually try it with javascript disabled - I just looked at
>> the headers. But it obviously is an attempt to not allow just what
>> you're trying to do.
>>
>> Do you have the owner's permission to access the page via a script? If
>> so, the webmaster should be able to help you.
>>
>
> I am not the OP. I am merely speculating on how it is done.
>

Not only is it off-topic in this newsgroup, but I don't like to discuss
security implementations (especially someone else's) in a public forum.

Sorry.

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