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does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180041] Mon, 31 December 2012 10:19 Go to next message
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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180042 is a reply to message #180041] Mon, 31 December 2012 18:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
> 在 2012年12月31日星期一UTC+8下午11时19分30秒,milk写道:
>>
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> the rank of php is declining...
>
Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?

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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180043 is a reply to message #180042] Mon, 31 December 2012 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 12/31/2012 3:31 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
>> the rank of php is declining...
> Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?
> Scotty

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/12/04/december-2012-web-server-surve y.html

December 2012 Web Server Survey

If you take a look at the charts for

Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains
Market Share for Active Sites Across All Domains

You can see that MS is declining faster than Apache.
Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180044 is a reply to message #180043] Mon, 31 December 2012 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 12/31/2012 8:20 PM, Mike S wrote:
> On 12/31/2012 3:31 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
>>> the rank of php is declining...
>> Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?
>> Scotty
>
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/12/04/december-2012-web-server-surve y.html
>
>
> December 2012 Web Server Survey
>
> If you take a look at the charts for
>
> Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains
> Market Share for Active Sites Across All Domains
>
> You can see that MS is declining faster than Apache.
>
>
>
>

Somehow I don't think it's a very scientific survey, and could be off by
a long ways.

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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180045 is a reply to message #180043] Mon, 31 December 2012 20:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike S wrote:

> On 12/31/2012 3:31 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> On 12/31/2012 7:22 AM, milk wrote:
>>> the rank of php is declining...
>> Got any stats/links that dictate this analysis?
>> Scotty
>
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2012/12/04/december-2012-web-server-
> survey.html
>
> December 2012 Web Server Survey
>
> If you take a look at the charts for
>
> Market Share for Top Servers Across All Domains
> Market Share for Active Sites Across All Domains
>
> You can see that MS is declining faster than Apache.

The data you cite is irrelevant to this problem. Contrary to popular
belief, PHP is not limited to Apache servers, GNU/Linux, or to the server
side at all.

Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for the
popularity of a programming language. According to it, PHP's popularity has
not changed within the last year:

<http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>

Please do not feed the trolls, and do get a full name.


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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180046 is a reply to message #180045] Tue, 01 January 2013 00:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php(at)PointedEars(dot)de> spake the secret code
<14012635(dot)q4xlJ368Gr(at)PointedEars(dot)de> thusly:

> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for the
> popularity of a programming language. According to it, PHP's popularity has
> not changed within the last year:
>
> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>

Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.

> Please [...] do get a full name.

ROTFLMAO. What a silly thing to say.
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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180049 is a reply to message #180046] Tue, 01 January 2013 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php(at)PointedEars(dot)de> spake the secret code
> <14012635(dot)q4xlJ368Gr(at)PointedEars(dot)de> thusly:

It is supposed to be an attribution _line_, not a novel.

>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>> the popularity of a programming language. According to it, PHP's
>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>
>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>
> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.

How did you get that idea?

>> Please [...] do get a full name.
>
> ROTFLMAO. What a silly thing to say.

There is nothing silly about it. Posting with one's full name is customary
in Usenet. Because 1. it is basically polite to introduce oneself to
strangers using one's full name (before asking for their help, and consuming
their free time), and 2. there is more than one “Mike S” and more than one
“Richard” out there; omitting the full name (first and last name) leads to
confusion. Some people, like me, also insert their nickname to avoid
confusion if even the full name does not suffice; others insert their second
name in abbreviated form. Read RFCs 1855, 5536, and several Usenet guides.


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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180051 is a reply to message #180049] Tue, 01 January 2013 08:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 01-01-2013 13:36, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 2. there is more than one “Mike S” and more than one
> “Richard” out there

That woudl not solve things for /me
Because at least 2 persons (including meself) have the same full-name

So, i still don't see why i should put my full-name here...
Re: does the php is not popularÅHi am a phperÅI [message #180052 is a reply to message #180051] Tue, 01 January 2013 10:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <gc6br9-usk(dot)ln1(at)luuk(dot)invalid(dot)lan>, Luuk <luuk(at)invalid(dot)lan>
wrote:

> On 01-01-2013 13:36, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> 2. there is more than one “Mike S” and more than one
>> “Richard” out there
>
> That woudl not solve things for /me
> Because at least 2 persons (including meself) have the same full-name
>
> So, i still don't see why i should put my full-name here...

Well, Luuk, since your posts arrive here just fine without it, that
clearly means that, in fact, you don't have to, whatever PointyHead
chooses to say.

It's just PointyHead acting like an infants' school mistress from the
1950s; all he actually succeeds in doing is looking like a fool. Feel
free to tell him to fuck off from time to time; it's good for him.

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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180054 is a reply to message #180049] Tue, 01 January 2013 23:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php(at)PointedEars(dot)de> spake the secret code
<3121172(dot)Rje1355gbv(at)PointedEars(dot)de> thusly:

> Richard wrote:
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php(at)PointedEars(dot)de> spake the secret code
>> <14012635(dot)q4xlJ368Gr(at)PointedEars(dot)de> thusly:
>
> It is supposed to be an attribution _line_, not a novel.
>
>>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>>> the popularity of a programming language. According to it, PHP's
>>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>>
>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>
>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>
> How did you get that idea?

I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.

>>> Please [...] do get a full name.
>>
>> ROTFLMAO. What a silly thing to say.
>
> There is nothing silly about it.

Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name" I
feel like it on my posts and you will be no more "introduced" to me
than if I put on my full name.

> Posting with one's full name is customary
> in Usenet.

Since when? If anything, usenet has a long and rich history of
pseudonyms and anonymous posting. Much more so than email, for
instance.

At one point, someone like you insisted that I post my "real name" or
they wouldn't take my posts seriously. I immediately slapped a fake
name on my post and then they started addressing the content of my
message instead of the label on my From header. They merely served to
prove my point that insisting that someone else post with their "real
name" or "full name" is a silly position to take.

At any rate, if you want to be the Emily Post of Usenet, this is the
wrong newsgroup.
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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180056 is a reply to message #180054] Wed, 02 January 2013 04:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […]:
>> Richard wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn […]:
>>>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>>>> the popularity of a programming language. According to it, PHP's
>>>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>>
>>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>
>> How did you get that idea?
>
> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.

Look again.

>>>> Please [...] do get a full name.
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO. What a silly thing to say.
>>
>> There is nothing silly about it.
>
> Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name" I
> feel like it on my posts […]

And be ignored. As you wish.


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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180057 is a reply to message #180054] Wed, 02 January 2013 08:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 1/1/2013 11:41 PM, Richard wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php(at)PointedEars(dot)de> spake the secret code
> <3121172(dot)Rje1355gbv(at)PointedEars(dot)de> thusly:
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php(at)PointedEars(dot)de> spake the secret code
>>> <14012635(dot)q4xlJ368Gr(at)PointedEars(dot)de> thusly:
>>
>> It is supposed to be an attribution _line_, not a novel.
>>
>>>> Usually the TIOBE Programming Community Index is cited as reference for
>>>> the popularity of a programming language. According to it, PHP's
>>>> popularity has not changed within the last year:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>>
>>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>
>> How did you get that idea?
>
> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.
>
>>>> Please [...] do get a full name.
>>>
>>> ROTFLMAO. What a silly thing to say.
>>
>> There is nothing silly about it.
>
> Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name" I
> feel like it on my posts and you will be no more "introduced" to me
> than if I put on my full name.
>
>> Posting with one's full name is customary
>> in Usenet.
>
> Since when? If anything, usenet has a long and rich history of
> pseudonyms and anonymous posting. Much more so than email, for
> instance.
>
> At one point, someone like you insisted that I post my "real name" or
> they wouldn't take my posts seriously. I immediately slapped a fake
> name on my post and then they started addressing the content of my
> message instead of the label on my From header. They merely served to
> prove my point that insisting that someone else post with their "real
> name" or "full name" is a silly position to take.
>
> At any rate, if you want to be the Emily Post of Usenet, this is the
> wrong newsgroup.
>

Richard, please don't feed the trolls.

I don't mind first names or 'nyms. The only problem is when some people
try to hide behind a 'nym in order to troll anonymously. You aren't one
of those.

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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180058 is a reply to message #180056] Wed, 02 January 2013 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn schrieb:

>>>> > <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>>> Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>> How did you get that idea?
>> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.
> Look again.

Section "Very Long Term History":
PHP Dec 2007: Position 4
PHP Dec 2012: Position 6
Thus, PHP lost two positions in 5 years.

Greetings,
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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180059 is a reply to message #180056] Wed, 02 January 2013 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <php(at)PointedEars(dot)de> spake the secret code
<2564324(dot)3CA8IRjdb2(at)PointedEars(dot)de> thusly:

> Richard wrote:
>> Of course your position is silly because I can slap whatever "name"
I
>> feel like it on my posts [\xe2\x80\xa6]
>
> And be ignored. As you wish.

Wrong. It is *YOU* who wish to ignore people whom you feel haven't
revealed their "real name". It is you who are losing out, not me. I
am not an egotist and I don't post to usenet for the sake of seeing my
own name splattered across the bitstreams; I post to usenet to share
my point of view and knowledge. (In technical newsgroups, more the
latter than the former.) It is *YOU* who are losing out by ignoring
posts from people who don't satisfy your niggling little Emily Post
rules. I could care less whether you read my posts or not.

As I said, I could post under a fake real name for years (and I have)
and people like you would sit there smugly thinking they are
responding
to my real name, when you aren't. I would just laugh at you every
single
time because it's a silly position to take.

I laugh at you now.

I also laugh at you because you insist on decorating my 7-bit clean
quoted material with pointless 8-bit characters.
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Re: does the php is not popular?i am a phper? [message #180063 is a reply to message #180058] Thu, 03 January 2013 05:05 Go to previous message
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Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn schrieb:
>>>> >> <http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html>
>>>> > Yet, the same URL shows that the trend line for PHP is downward.
>>>> How did you get that idea?
>>> I looked at the mult-year trend line graph at the URL.
>> Look again.
>
> Section "Very Long Term History":
> PHP Dec 2007: Position 4
> PHP Dec 2012: Position 6
> Thus, PHP lost two positions in 5 years.

Graph “Long term trends”:
PHP 2001: ca. 2.5%
PHP 2012: ca. 5.0%
Thus, “PHP has doubled its popularity in the last 11 years.”

Main Section “TIOBE Programming Community Index for December 2012”:
PHP Dec 2011: Position 6
PHP Dec 2012: Position 6
Thus, “PHP has been steady.”

Much the same could be said about any other programming language on the
charts or tables. When interpreting (long-term) data, one must take care to
avoid the trap of bending the facts to fit the argument. For example,
suppose we were in December 2005, you could say that “The popularity of Java
has seen a deep decline for the last three years”, thus argue that “Java is
no longer the programming language of choice”. But then suppose we were in
December 2006, and look what has presumably happened to Java's popularity.
Then read the FAQ about it.


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