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define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180174] Mon, 21 January 2013 19:06 Go to next message
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I can see why this doesn't work:

define ('NL', '<br />');
echo "This is NL another line";

Is there a way to define a constant variable in PHP?
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180175 is a reply to message #180174] Mon, 21 January 2013 19:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:06:46 -0800, cate wrote:
> I can see why this doesn't work:
>
> define ('NL', '<br />');
> echo "This is NL another line";
>
> Is there a way to define a constant variable in PHP?

Not as such — you can define constants with define() or (in 5.3.0+) the
const keyword, but they aren't variables and hence aren't interpolated
into strings, as you've discovered.

As an alternative, there's always:
echo "This is ".NL." another line";

Adam
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180176 is a reply to message #180175] Mon, 21 January 2013 21:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:44:49 +0000 (UTC), Adam Harvey
<usenet(at)adamharvey(dot)name> wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:06:46 -0800, cate wrote:
>> I can see why this doesn't work:
>>
>> define ('NL', '<br />');
>> echo "This is NL another line";
>>
>> Is there a way to define a constant variable in PHP?
>
> Not as such — you can define constants with define() or (in 5.3.0+) the
> const keyword, but they aren't variables and hence aren't interpolated
> into strings, as you've discovered.
>
> As an alternative, there's always:
> echo "This is ".NL." another line";
>
> Adam


Or perhaps an easier string approach:

echo "this is \n another line";
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180177 is a reply to message #180176] Mon, 21 January 2013 21:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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På Tue, 22 Jan 2013 03:16:28 +0100, skrev BobMCT <r(dot)mariotti(at)fdcx(dot)net>:

> On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 00:44:49 +0000 (UTC), Adam Harvey
> <usenet(at)adamharvey(dot)name> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:06:46 -0800, cate wrote:
>>> I can see why this doesn't work:
>>>
>>> define ('NL', '<br />');
>>> echo "This is NL another line";
>>>
>>> Is there a way to define a constant variable in PHP?
>>
>> Not as such — you can define constants with define() or (in 5..3.0+) the
>> const keyword, but they aren't variables and hence aren't interpolated
>> into strings, as you've discovered.
>>
>> As an alternative, there's always:
>> echo "This is ".NL." another line";
>>
>> Adam
>
>
> Or perhaps an easier string approach:
>
> echo "this is \n another line";

Alternatively:

echo nl2br("This is \n another line");

http://php.net/nl2br


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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180178 is a reply to message #180174] Tue, 22 January 2013 02:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Le 22/01/13 01:06, cate a écrit :
> define ('NL', '<br />');
> echo "This is NL another line";


echo 'This is ',NL,' another line';



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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180179 is a reply to message #180174] Tue, 22 January 2013 03:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cate, 2013-01-22 01:06:

> I can see why this doesn't work:
>
> define ('NL', '<br />');
> echo "This is NL another line";
>
> Is there a way to define a constant variable in PHP?

Maybe you want to look at the documentation:

<http://php.net/manual/en/language.constants.php>

So - yes the define is OK.

But your echo will not work, since NL is not automatically treated as a
placeholder. You have to write:

echo "This is ".NL." another line";

With variables this would be easier though:

$NL = '<br />';
echo "This is $NL another line";


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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180180 is a reply to message #180179] Tue, 22 January 2013 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 22-01-2013 09:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
> cate, 2013-01-22 01:06:
>
>> I can see why this doesn't work:
>>
>> define ('NL', '<br />');
>> echo "This is NL another line";
>>
>> Is there a way to define a constant variable in PHP?
>
> Maybe you want to look at the documentation:
>
> <http://php.net/manual/en/language.constants.php>
>
> So - yes the define is OK.
>
> But your echo will not work, since NL is not automatically treated as a
> placeholder. You have to write:
>
> echo "This is ".NL." another line";
>
> With variables this would be easier though:
>
> $NL = '<br />';
> echo "This is $NL another line";
>

Why do you use single quotes on the first line,
and double on the second?

Why not simply use double-quotes everywhere.....

$NL = "<br />";
echo "This is $NL another line";
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180181 is a reply to message #180180] Tue, 22 January 2013 13:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In article <6833t9-kme(dot)ln1(at)luuk(dot)invalid(dot)lan>, Luuk <luuk(at)invalid(dot)lan>
wrote:

> On 22-01-2013 09:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> cate, 2013-01-22 01:06:

>> With variables this would be easier though:
>>
>> $NL = '<br />';
>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>>
>
> Why do you use single quotes on the first line,
> and double on the second?
>
> Why not simply use double-quotes everywhere.....
>
> $NL = "<br />";
> echo "This is $NL another line";

Because the interpreter has to do more work with the string:

<http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php>

If you do:

$NL = '<br />';
echo 'This is ' . $NL . 'another line';

then you avoid the double-quote altogether.

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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180182 is a reply to message #180181] Tue, 22 January 2013 14:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 22-01-2013 19:58, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <6833t9-kme(dot)ln1(at)luuk(dot)invalid(dot)lan>, Luuk <luuk(at)invalid(dot)lan>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22-01-2013 09:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> cate, 2013-01-22 01:06:
>
>>> With variables this would be easier though:
>>>
>>> $NL = '<br />';
>>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>>>
>>
>> Why do you use single quotes on the first line,
>> and double on the second?
>>
>> Why not simply use double-quotes everywhere.....
>>
>> $NL = "<br />";
>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>
> Because the interpreter has to do more work with the string:
>
> <http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php>
>
> If you do:
>
> $NL = '<br />';
> echo 'This is ' . $NL . 'another line';
>
> then you avoid the double-quote altogether.
>

and who is going to notice those msecs ?
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180183 is a reply to message #180181] Tue, 22 January 2013 14:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 22/01/13 18:58, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <6833t9-kme(dot)ln1(at)luuk(dot)invalid(dot)lan>, Luuk <luuk(at)invalid(dot)lan>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22-01-2013 09:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> cate, 2013-01-22 01:06:
>
>>> With variables this would be easier though:
>>>
>>> $NL = '<br />';
>>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>>>
>>
>> Why do you use single quotes on the first line,
>> and double on the second?
>>
>> Why not simply use double-quotes everywhere.....
>>
>> $NL = "<br />";
>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>
> Because the interpreter has to do more work with the string:
>
> <http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php>
>
> If you do:
>
> $NL = '<br />';
> echo 'This is ' . $NL . 'another line';
>
> then you avoid the double-quote altogether.
>
Or easier yet

printf("This is <BR>a new line");
Or
$NL="<BR>";
printf("This is %s a new line",$NL);

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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180184 is a reply to message #180179] Tue, 22 January 2013 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:39:07 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet(at)arnowelzel(dot)de>
wrote:

> With variables this would be easier though:
>
> $NL = '<br />';
> echo "This is $NL another line";

A question from someone relatively new to PHP:
Why use constants at all?
I always use variables - have I missed something?

Best,
Jørn, Copenhagen
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180185 is a reply to message #180184] Tue, 22 January 2013 18:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dans son message précédent, Jørn Andersen a écrit :
>
> A question from someone relatively new to PHP:
> Why use constants at all?
> I always use variables - have I missed something?


Because variables have 'Scope':

http://php.net/manual/en/language.variables.scope.php

<?php

define('NL',"\n");
$NL = '<br />';

function sayHello() {

echo 'Hello 2'.$NL; // $NL is not in this Scope, don't work.
echo NL; // NL is in every Scope, works
}

sayHello();
echo 'Hello 1'.$NL;
echo NL;
?>

Constants do not have this behaivor.

If you Execute the code above you get:
-------------
Hello 2Hello 1<br />

-------------

Rgds.
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180186 is a reply to message #180185] Tue, 22 January 2013 18:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:08:49 +0100, Shake
<alex(dot)estevezQUENO(at)QUENOfilnet(dot)es> wrote:

> Dans son message précédent, Jørn Andersen a écrit :
>>
>> A question from someone relatively new to PHP:
>> Why use constants at all?
>> I always use variables - have I missed something?
>
>
> Because variables have 'Scope':
>
> http://php.net/manual/en/language.variables.scope.php
>

Thanks for explaing.
I do understand the basics about scope, so that makes sense - and I
would probably have used constants a bit more if I had been aware that
constants work across scopes ...

Is there any reason why it is better/worse to use constants instead of
global $var in functions?


Best,
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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180187 is a reply to message #180182] Tue, 22 January 2013 19:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 22.01.2013 20:08, schrieb Luuk:
> On 22-01-2013 19:58, Tim Streater wrote:
>> In article <6833t9-kme(dot)ln1(at)luuk(dot)invalid(dot)lan>, Luuk <luuk(at)invalid(dot)lan>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22-01-2013 09:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> cate, 2013-01-22 01:06:
>>
>>>> With variables this would be easier though:
>>>>
>>>> $NL = '<br />';
>>>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you use single quotes on the first line,
>>> and double on the second?
>>>
>>> Why not simply use double-quotes everywhere.....
>>>
>>> $NL = "<br />";
>>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>>
>> Because the interpreter has to do more work with the string:
>>
>> <http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php>
>>
>> If you do:
>>
>> $NL = '<br />';
>> echo 'This is ' . $NL . 'another line';
>>
>> then you avoid the double-quote altogether.
>>
>
> and who is going to notice those msecs ?

Nobody. It's a question of style, and showing if you know what you are doing.

/Str.
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180188 is a reply to message #180184] Tue, 22 January 2013 19:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 1/22/2013 5:51 PM, Jørn Andersen wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:39:07 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet(at)arnowelzel(dot)de>
> wrote:
>
>> With variables this would be easier though:
>>
>> $NL = '<br />';
>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>
> A question from someone relatively new to PHP:
> Why use constants at all?
> I always use variables - have I missed something?
>
> Best,
> Jørn, Copenhagen
>

Actually, a more correct answer would be the same reason you use
constants in any language. They can't be changed.

You can get some very hard to find problems when something which is
supposed to be a constant gets the wrong value.


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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180189 is a reply to message #180186] Tue, 22 January 2013 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 00:51:20 +0100, J?rn Andersen wrote:
> I do understand the basics about scope, so that makes sense - and I
> would probably have used constants a bit more if I had been aware that
> constants work across scopes ...
>
> Is there any reason why it is better/worse to use constants instead of
> global $var in functions?

Well, the other thing is that constants are ... well, constant. They
don't change, nothing in the code running can affect them. They won't
get screwed up by logical or programming errors, like mistaking = for
==.

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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180190 is a reply to message #180186] Tue, 22 January 2013 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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For who has answered explaining that a constant is... a constant.

Peter and Jerry. Of course, they have reason.

I made the mistake of forgetting the first and primordial :)

Rgds.
Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180191 is a reply to message #180180] Wed, 23 January 2013 04:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 22.01.2013 19:43, schrieb Luuk:

> On 22-01-2013 09:39, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> cate, 2013-01-22 01:06:
>>
>>> I can see why this doesn't work:
>>>
>>> define ('NL', '<br />');
>>> echo "This is NL another line";
>>>
>>> Is there a way to define a constant variable in PHP?
>>
>> Maybe you want to look at the documentation:
>>
>> <http://php.net/manual/en/language.constants.php>
>>
>> So - yes the define is OK.
>>
>> But your echo will not work, since NL is not automatically treated as a
>> placeholder. You have to write:
>>
>> echo "This is ".NL." another line";
>>
>> With variables this would be easier though:
>>
>> $NL = '<br />';
>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>>
>
> Why do you use single quotes on the first line,
> and double on the second?

To avoid substitutions and to make clear, that the string is a literal.

> Why not simply use double-quotes everywhere.....

Because then $foobar would be treated as a variable or /n would be
treated as newline and not as literal '/n'.


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Re: define ('NL', "<br />"); can I define a constant var ? [message #180192 is a reply to message #180182] Wed, 23 January 2013 04:59 Go to previous message
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Am 22.01.2013 20:08, schrieb Luuk:

> On 22-01-2013 19:58, Tim Streater wrote:
>> In article <6833t9-kme(dot)ln1(at)luuk(dot)invalid(dot)lan>, Luuk <luuk(at)invalid(dot)lan>
>> wrote:
[...]
>>> Why not simply use double-quotes everywhere.....
>>>
>>> $NL = "<br />";
>>> echo "This is $NL another line";
>>
>> Because the interpreter has to do more work with the string:
>>
>> <http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.string.php>
>>
>> If you do:
>>
>> $NL = '<br />';
>> echo 'This is ' . $NL . 'another line';
>>
>> then you avoid the double-quote altogether.
>
> and who is going to notice those msecs ?

You my not notice any difference when testing a script on your own. But
imagine a webserver with thousands of requests every hour - every
additional delay will put more load to the machine and then it *is*
important to avoid inefficient code.


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