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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181112] Sun, 14 April 2013 08:48 Go to next message
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On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>
> http://iamaspammer.com
>

What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?

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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181114 is a reply to message #181112] Sun, 14 April 2013 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>
>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>
>
> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>

WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
it anywayz........
Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181116 is a reply to message #181114] Sun, 14 April 2013 22:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>
>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>
>>
>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>
>
> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
> it anywayz........
>

Maybe, maybe not.

But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.

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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181144 is a reply to message #181116] Fri, 19 April 2013 03:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:

> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>>
>>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>
>>
>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>> it anywayz........
>>
>
> Maybe, maybe not.
>
> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.

*Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181146 is a reply to message #181144] Fri, 19 April 2013 08:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>
>> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> > Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >
>>>> > http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>>
>>>
>>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>> it anywayz........
>>>
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>
>> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>
> *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>
>

Your proof?

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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181147 is a reply to message #181146] Fri, 19 April 2013 11:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:

> On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>
>>> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> it anywayz........
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>
>>> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>
>> *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>
> Your proof?

Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.

So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
to avoid it.

What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
it by responding to their spam?


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181148 is a reply to message #181112] Fri, 19 April 2013 11:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 14.04.2013 14:48, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:

> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>
>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>
>
> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?

Why did you even reply? individual.de does not have this posting anyway
(cleanfeed etc. exists) - but thanks to you i know, that there was
something and have some additional traffic which i otherwise would have
missed ;-)


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181152 is a reply to message #181147] Fri, 19 April 2013 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 11:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> > On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> > spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> > it anywayz........
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>
>>>> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>>
>>> *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>>
>> Your proof?
>
> Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.
>
> So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
> to avoid it.
>
> What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
> you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
> it by responding to their spam?
>
>

Your proof?

You made the claim that nothing will stop the spammers. The only claim
I made was that ignoring it will not stop the spammers.

So what's your proof?

And yes, I have gotten spammers websites and email accounts terminated.
Plus, if you've paid ANY attention, some spammers come back here and
apologize for spamming.

So, once more. Your proof?

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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181153 is a reply to message #181148] Fri, 19 April 2013 12:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 11:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Am 14.04.2013 14:48, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>
>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>
>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>
>>
>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>
> Why did you even reply? individual.de does not have this posting anyway
> (cleanfeed etc. exists) - but thanks to you i know, that there was
> something and have some additional traffic which i otherwise would have
> missed ;-)
>
>

Like I really give a damn what you think.

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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181156 is a reply to message #181152] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:

> On 4/19/2013 11:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>>>
>>>> > On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> >> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> >> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> >> it anywayz........
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Maybe, maybe not.
>>>> >
>>>> > But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>>>
>>>> *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>>>
>>> Your proof?
>>
>> Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.
>>
>> So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
>> to avoid it.
>>
>> What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
>> you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
>> it by responding to their spam?
>>
>>
>
> Your proof?

Spam exists.

> You made the claim that nothing will stop the spammers. The only claim
> I made was that ignoring it will not stop the spammers.

So what?

> So what's your proof?
>
> And yes, I have gotten spammers websites and email accounts terminated.
> Plus, if you've paid ANY attention, some spammers come back here and
> apologize for spamming.

Then those people where not spammers - otherwise the would have apologized.

> So, once more. Your proof?

Spam exists.


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181157 is a reply to message #181156] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Arno Welzel, 2013-04-19 22:00:

> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 11:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> >>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> >>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> >>> it anywayz........
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>>> >
>>>> > *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>>>>
>>>> Your proof?
>>>
>>> Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.
>>>
>>> So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
>>> to avoid it.
>>>
>>> What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
>>> you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
>>> it by responding to their spam?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Your proof?
>
> Spam exists.
>
>> You made the claim that nothing will stop the spammers. The only claim
>> I made was that ignoring it will not stop the spammers.
>
> So what?
>
>> So what's your proof?
>>
>> And yes, I have gotten spammers websites and email accounts terminated.
>> Plus, if you've paid ANY attention, some spammers come back here and
>> apologize for spamming.
>
> Then those people where not spammers - otherwise the would have apologized.

Sorry - sent to early and typing to fast...

So those people where not spammers - otherwise they would not have
apologized since spammers *never* apologize to send spam.


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181158 is a reply to message #181153] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:

> On 4/19/2013 11:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Am 14.04.2013 14:48, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>>
>>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>
>> Why did you even reply? individual.de does not have this posting anyway
>> (cleanfeed etc. exists) - but thanks to you i know, that there was
>> something and have some additional traffic which i otherwise would have
>> missed ;-)
>>
>>
>
> Like I really give a damn what you think.

Wrong - otherwise you wouldn't spend time reading my posts and replying
them.


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181159 is a reply to message #181156] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 4:00 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 11:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> >>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> >>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> >>> it anywayz........
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>>> >
>>>> > *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>>>>
>>>> Your proof?
>>>
>>> Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.
>>>
>>> So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
>>> to avoid it.
>>>
>>> What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
>>> you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
>>> it by responding to their spam?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Your proof?
>
> Spam exists.
>

So? What does that prove?

>> You made the claim that nothing will stop the spammers. The only claim
>> I made was that ignoring it will not stop the spammers.
>
> So what?
>
>> So what's your proof?
>>
>> And yes, I have gotten spammers websites and email accounts terminated.
>> Plus, if you've paid ANY attention, some spammers come back here and
>> apologize for spamming.
>
> Then those people where not spammers - otherwise the would have apologized.
>
>> So, once more. Your proof?
>
> Spam exists.
>
>

So what?


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181160 is a reply to message #181157] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 4:02 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Arno Welzel, 2013-04-19 22:00:
>
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2013 11:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>
>>>> > On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> >> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> >>>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> >>>> it anywayz........
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Your proof?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.
>>>>
>>>> So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
>>>> to avoid it.
>>>>
>>>> What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
>>>> you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
>>>> it by responding to their spam?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your proof?
>>
>> Spam exists.
>>
>>> You made the claim that nothing will stop the spammers. The only claim
>>> I made was that ignoring it will not stop the spammers.
>>
>> So what?
>>
>>> So what's your proof?
>>>
>>> And yes, I have gotten spammers websites and email accounts terminated.
>>> Plus, if you've paid ANY attention, some spammers come back here and
>>> apologize for spamming.
>>
>> Then those people where not spammers - otherwise the would have apologized.
>
> Sorry - sent to early and typing to fast...
>
> So those people where not spammers - otherwise they would not have
> apologized since spammers *never* apologize to send spam.
>
>

Maybe *YOU* don't apologize for sending SPAM. Some people do, when they
realize it IS spam.

A spammer is a person who sends spam - not some subset like you want to
make them. When the error of their ways is pointed out, some people
correct those errors.

But then you have a VERY narrow view of who spammers are. One which is
NOT shared by most of the world.


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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181161 is a reply to message #181158] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 4:03 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 11:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Am 14.04.2013 14:48, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>
>>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> > Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >
>>>> > http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>
>>> Why did you even reply? individual.de does not have this posting anyway
>>> (cleanfeed etc. exists) - but thanks to you i know, that there was
>>> something and have some additional traffic which i otherwise would have
>>> missed ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Like I really give a damn what you think.
>
> Wrong - otherwise you wouldn't spend time reading my posts and replying
> them.
>
>

ROFLMAO! No, I really don't give a damn what you think, Arno. But I DO
care what people who read your tripe might think.

BIG difference!

You think too highly of yourself, that's for sure!

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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181163 is a reply to message #181160] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:06:

> On 4/19/2013 4:02 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Arno Welzel, 2013-04-19 22:00:
>>
>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2013 11:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> >>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> >>>>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> >>>>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> >>>>> it anywayz........
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Your proof?
>>>> >
>>>> > Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.
>>>> >
>>>> > So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
>>>> > to avoid it.
>>>> >
>>>> > What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
>>>> > you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
>>>> > it by responding to their spam?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Your proof?
>>>
>>> Spam exists.
>>>
>>>> You made the claim that nothing will stop the spammers. The only claim
>>>> I made was that ignoring it will not stop the spammers.
>>>
>>> So what?
>>>
>>>> So what's your proof?
>>>>
>>>> And yes, I have gotten spammers websites and email accounts terminated.
>>>> Plus, if you've paid ANY attention, some spammers come back here and
>>>> apologize for spamming.
>>>
>>> Then those people where not spammers - otherwise the would have apologized.
>>
>> Sorry - sent to early and typing to fast...
>>
>> So those people where not spammers - otherwise they would not have
>> apologized since spammers *never* apologize to send spam.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe *YOU* don't apologize for sending SPAM. Some people do, when they
> realize it IS spam.

Then they are not spammers. They are just people who did a mistake.

> A spammer is a person who sends spam - not some subset like you want to
> make them. When the error of their ways is pointed out, some people
> correct those errors.

No - a "spammer" is a person who sends spam and does not care about the
negative effects.

> But then you have a VERY narrow view of who spammers are. One which is
> NOT shared by most of the world.

The opposite is true - otherwise everybody would kindly ask every
spammer to stop their business instead of using tools like
SpamAssassing, greylisting, blacklisting etc.



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OT: Spam or not to spam (was: Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android) [message #181164 is a reply to message #181161] Fri, 19 April 2013 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:08:

> On 4/19/2013 4:03 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2013 11:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Am 14.04.2013 14:48, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>>
>>>> > On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>>
>>>> Why did you even reply? individual.de does not have this posting anyway
>>>> (cleanfeed etc. exists) - but thanks to you i know, that there was
>>>> something and have some additional traffic which i otherwise would have
>>>> missed ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Like I really give a damn what you think.
>>
>> Wrong - otherwise you wouldn't spend time reading my posts and replying
>> them.
>>
>>
>
> ROFLMAO! No, I really don't give a damn what you think, Arno. But I DO
> care what people who read your tripe might think.

So - you do care what i think... because otherwise it would not bother
you what others may think about what i write - simple logic.

> BIG difference!

No.

> You think too highly of yourself, that's for sure!

Look in the mirror...

BTW... what has all that to do with PHP?



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Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android [message #181169 is a reply to message #181163] Fri, 19 April 2013 17:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 4:22 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:06:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 4:02 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel, 2013-04-19 22:00:
>>>
>>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>>>>
>>>> > On 4/19/2013 11:14 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> >> Am 19.04.2013 14:09, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 4/19/2013 3:30 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> >>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-15 04:05:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> On 4/14/2013 10:33 AM, Luuk wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> On 14-04-2013 14:48, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> WHY is this message to comp.lang.php, comlaining that someone is
>>>> >>>>>> spamming here? The sender of this spammed message probably will not read
>>>> >>>>>> it anywayz........
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> But ignoring SPAM does not make it go away.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> *Nothing* makes spam go away except filtering it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Your proof?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Nothing will keep spammers from trying to send their stuff.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So filtering (or better rejecting) spam is the only reasonable solution
>>>> >> to avoid it.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What's your proof, that spammers will stop, just because you tell them
>>>> >> you don't want their spam? How many spammers could you convince to stop
>>>> >> it by responding to their spam?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Your proof?
>>>>
>>>> Spam exists.
>>>>
>>>> > You made the claim that nothing will stop the spammers. The only claim
>>>> > I made was that ignoring it will not stop the spammers.
>>>>
>>>> So what?
>>>>
>>>> > So what's your proof?
>>>> >
>>>> > And yes, I have gotten spammers websites and email accounts terminated.
>>>> > Plus, if you've paid ANY attention, some spammers come back here and
>>>> > apologize for spamming.
>>>>
>>>> Then those people where not spammers - otherwise the would have apologized.
>>>
>>> Sorry - sent to early and typing to fast...
>>>
>>> So those people where not spammers - otherwise they would not have
>>> apologized since spammers *never* apologize to send spam.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Maybe *YOU* don't apologize for sending SPAM. Some people do, when they
>> realize it IS spam.
>
> Then they are not spammers. They are just people who did a mistake.
>

According to YOUR definition. Most of the rest of the world does NOT
agree with you.

>> A spammer is a person who sends spam - not some subset like you want to
>> make them. When the error of their ways is pointed out, some people
>> correct those errors.
>
> No - a "spammer" is a person who sends spam and does not care about the
> negative effects.
>
>> But then you have a VERY narrow view of who spammers are. One which is
>> NOT shared by most of the world.
>
> The opposite is true - otherwise everybody would kindly ask every
> spammer to stop their business instead of using tools like
> SpamAssassing, greylisting, blacklisting etc.
>
>
>

No, YOU'RE the one with the VERY narrow view of who spammers are.

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Re: OT: Spam or not to spam [message #181170 is a reply to message #181164] Fri, 19 April 2013 17:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 4:27 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:08:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 4:03 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2013 11:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Am 14.04.2013 14:48, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >
>>>> > Why did you even reply? individual.de does not have this posting anyway
>>>> > (cleanfeed etc. exists) - but thanks to you i know, that there was
>>>> > something and have some additional traffic which i otherwise would have
>>>> > missed ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Like I really give a damn what you think.
>>>
>>> Wrong - otherwise you wouldn't spend time reading my posts and replying
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ROFLMAO! No, I really don't give a damn what you think, Arno. But I DO
>> care what people who read your tripe might think.
>
> So - you do care what i think... because otherwise it would not bother
> you what others may think about what i write - simple logic.
>

No, I don't care what YOU think. But I do care about other people
believing your tripe. A BIG difference.

>> BIG difference!
>
> No.
>
>> You think too highly of yourself, that's for sure!
>
> Look in the mirror...
>

Yes, you should do that.

> BTW... what has all that to do with PHP?
>
>
>

Absolutely nothing. So why did YOU start the argument?

Obviously you care what I think or you wouldn't have just jumped in in
the first place!


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Re: OT: Spam or not to spam (was: Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android) [message #181174 is a reply to message #181164] Fri, 19 April 2013 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Arno Welzel <usenet(at)arnowelzel(dot)de> wrote in news:5171A8C8(dot)7040407(at)arnowelzel(dot)de:

> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:08:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 4:03 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 18:44:
>>>
>>>> On 4/19/2013 11:16 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Am 14.04.2013 14:48, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 4/14/2013 3:46 AM, 23alagmy wrote:
>>>> >>> Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> http://iamaspammer.com
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?
>>>> >
>>>> > Why did you even reply? individual.de does not have this posting anyway
>>>> > (cleanfeed etc. exists) - but thanks to you i know, that there was
>>>> > something and have some additional traffic which i otherwise would have
>>>> > missed ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Like I really give a damn what you think.
>>>
>>> Wrong - otherwise you wouldn't spend time reading my posts and replying
>>> them.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ROFLMAO! No, I really don't give a damn what you think, Arno. But I DO
>> care what people who read your tripe might think.
>
> So - you do care what i think... because otherwise it would not bother
> you what others may think about what i write - simple logic.
>
>> BIG difference!
>
> No.
>
>> You think too highly of yourself, that's for sure!
>
> Look in the mirror...
>
> BTW... what has all that to do with PHP?
>
PDFTFT

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Re: OT: Spam or not to spam [message #181183 is a reply to message #181164] Fri, 19 April 2013 20:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 19/04/13 21:27, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:08:
>
>> You think too highly of yourself, that's for sure!
> Look in the mirror...
>
> BTW... what has all that to do with PHP?
>
>
Come ON. Its the weekend, Jerry has run out of porn to ejaculate over,
so here he is again.
Kill file the tosser. You must be the only one who hasn't.


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Re: OT: Spam or not to spam [message #181189 is a reply to message #181183] Fri, 19 April 2013 21:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/19/2013 8:31 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/04/13 21:27, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:08:
>>
>>> You think too highly of yourself, that's for sure!
>> Look in the mirror...
>>
>> BTW... what has all that to do with PHP?
>>
>>
> Come ON. Its the weekend, Jerry has run out of porn to ejaculate over,
> so here he is again.
> Kill file the tosser. You must be the only one who hasn't.
>
>

I was wondering when the out of work ditch digger would troll again.
Now I know.

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OT: What is a spammer (was: Re: Microsoft accuses Google of pushing services to Android) [message #181193 is a reply to message #181169] Sat, 20 April 2013 04:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 23:58:

> On 4/19/2013 4:22 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:06:

[Jerry Stuckle explaining that he asked people to stop sending spam and
some of them apologized]
>>> Maybe *YOU* don't apologize for sending SPAM. Some people do, when they
>>> realize it IS spam.
>>
>> Then they are not spammers. They are just people who did a mistake.
>
> According to YOUR definition. Most of the rest of the world does NOT
> agree with you.

Well - i may not be that experienced after just about 15 years of
running mailservers. But at least i noticed, that *none* of the spammers
ever stopped by telling them to stop sending their junk and *none* of my
clients even considered using *spam* as a form of advertisement.

[...]
>> No - a "spammer" is a person who sends spam and does not care about the
>> negative effects.
>>
>>> But then you have a VERY narrow view of who spammers are. One which is
>>> NOT shared by most of the world.
>>
>> The opposite is true - otherwise everybody would kindly ask every
>> spammer to stop their business instead of using tools like
>> SpamAssassing, greylisting, blacklisting etc.
>
> No, YOU'RE the one with the VERY narrow view of who spammers are.

I see...


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Re: OT: What is a spammer [message #181195 is a reply to message #181193] Sat, 20 April 2013 07:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/20/2013 4:02 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 23:58:
>
>> On 4/19/2013 4:22 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-19 22:06:
>
> [Jerry Stuckle explaining that he asked people to stop sending spam and
> some of them apologized]
>>>> Maybe *YOU* don't apologize for sending SPAM. Some people do, when they
>>>> realize it IS spam.
>>>
>>> Then they are not spammers. They are just people who did a mistake.
>>
>> According to YOUR definition. Most of the rest of the world does NOT
>> agree with you.
>
> Well - i may not be that experienced after just about 15 years of
> running mailservers. But at least i noticed, that *none* of the spammers
> ever stopped by telling them to stop sending their junk and *none* of my
> clients even considered using *spam* as a form of advertisement.
>

You've been running mail servers. So what? You claim to be a
programmer also, but I've seen some of the suggestions you've made.

And who cares what either of your clients think? This isn't about
whether SPAM is a form of advertisement or not.

But then this is a typical action of a troll who doesn't have an argument.

> [...]
>>> No - a "spammer" is a person who sends spam and does not care about the
>>> negative effects.
>>>
>>>> But then you have a VERY narrow view of who spammers are. One which is
>>>> NOT shared by most of the world.
>>>
>>> The opposite is true - otherwise everybody would kindly ask every
>>> spammer to stop their business instead of using tools like
>>> SpamAssassing, greylisting, blacklisting etc.
>>
>> No, YOU'RE the one with the VERY narrow view of who spammers are.
>
> I see...
>
>

Here's a basic English lesson for you.

broad
[brawd] Show IPA adjective, broad·er, broad·est, adverb, noun
adjective
1. of great breadth: The river was too broad to swim across.
2. measured from side to side: The desk was three feet broad.
3. of great extent; large: the broad expanse of ocean.
4. widely diffused; open; full: We awoke to broad daylight.
5. not limited or narrow; of extensive range or scope: A modern doctor
must have a broad knowledge of medicine.


nar·row
[nar-oh] Show IPA adjective, nar·row·er, nar·row·est, verb, noun
adjective
1. of little breadth or width; not broad or wide; not as wide as usual
or expected: a narrow path.
2. limited in extent or space; affording little room: narrow quarters.
3. limited in range or scope: a narrow sampling of public opinion.
4. lacking breadth of view or sympathy, as persons, the mind, or ideas:
a narrow man, knowing only his professional specialty; a narrow mind.
5. with little margin to spare; barely adequate or successful; close: a
narrow escape.

Your definition of spammer is much narrower than mine.

But then trolls always try to change the subject or lay blame on the
other person.

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Re: OT: What is a spammer [message #181198 is a reply to message #181193] Sat, 20 April 2013 08:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 4/20/2013 8:18 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: (via email)
>
>> But then trolls always try to change the subject or lay blame on the
>> other person.
>
> May i remind you, that YOU started all this with this in
> <kke8eb$ocn$1(at)dont-email(dot)me>:
>
> "What does this have to do with PHP, SPAMMER?"
>
>

No, just like the troll you are, trying to pin it on someone else.

I responded to a spammer and told him he was a spammer.

YOU started the discussion.

But like the cowardly troll you are, you won't post this in the
newsgroup. That's OK, I'll do it for you.

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Re: OT: What is a spammer [message #181201 is a reply to message #181198] Sat, 20 April 2013 08:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-20 14:24:

> On 4/20/2013 8:18 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: (via email)
[...]

Yep - via email, since it is OFF-TOPIC HERE! And it is very rude to post
e-mail without asking.

But stubborn as you are, you can't stop posting here again and again.

F'up to poster and EOD for me - but i think, you can't resist ignoring
this anyway.


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Re: OT: What is a spammer [message #181203 is a reply to message #181201] Sat, 20 April 2013 08:42 Go to previous message
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On 4/20/2013 8:36 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-04-20 14:24:
>
>> On 4/20/2013 8:18 AM, Arno Welzel wrote: (via email)
> [...]
>
> Yep - via email, since it is OFF-TOPIC HERE! And it is very rude to post
> e-mail without asking.
>

You don't want something posted in the newsgroup, don't send it.

> But stubborn as you are, you can't stop posting here again and again.
>
> F'up to poster and EOD for me - but i think, you can't resist ignoring
> this anyway.
>
>

I don't respond to trolls via email, and any email they send related to
the newsgroup is posted in the newsgroup.

But then trolls don't like people to know who they are - which is why
they respond via email.

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