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UML [message #181674] Fri, 24 May 2013 18:49 Go to next message
Scott Johnson is currently offline  Scott Johnson
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Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?

If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
Re: UML [message #181679 is a reply to message #181674] Fri, 24 May 2013 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>

Yup

> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?

Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.

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Re: UML [message #181681 is a reply to message #181679] Fri, 24 May 2013 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
>
> Yup
>
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
>
> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.

If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
(skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
OO-related newsgroup.

I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
of UML).

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Re: UML [message #181683 is a reply to message #181679] Fri, 24 May 2013 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/24/2013 4:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
>
> Yup
>
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
>
> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>

Thanks, will pursue.
Re: UML [message #181684 is a reply to message #181681] Fri, 24 May 2013 20:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/24/2013 4:40 PM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
>> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>
> If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
> but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
> (skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
> diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
> OO-related newsgroup.
>
> I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
> there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
> years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
> of UML).
>

Thanks CB.

Actually I just need something to whiteboard on while I am building. I
get lost in the weeds sometimes.
Re: UML [message #181686 is a reply to message #181681] Fri, 24 May 2013 20:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/24/2013 7:40 PM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
>> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>
> If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
> but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
> (skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
> diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
> OO-related newsgroup.
>

Yes, but that's not what he asked for.

> I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
> there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
> years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
> of UML).
>

I've been working with them for well over 15 years (probably closer to
20) with various languages, including SmallTalk, C++ and Java. But each
tool has it's advantages and disadvantages - which is why I recommended
he look in a newsgroup where OO experts hang out.

comp.lang.php is NOT such a newsgroup. Most people here barely know how
to spell OO.

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Re: UML [message #181693 is a reply to message #181674] Sat, 25 May 2013 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott Johnson wrote:

> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?

Yes.

> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
> paper?

Yes.


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Re: UML [message #181695 is a reply to message #181693] Sat, 25 May 2013 06:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/25/2013 12:33 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
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>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>
> Yes.
>
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
>
> Yes.
>
>
> PointedEars
>

I overestimated the ability of someone to take a simple question parse
it and bring in a useful answer. My apologies.

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Re: UML [message #181696 is a reply to message #181695] Sat, 25 May 2013 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott Johnson wrote:

> On 5/25/2013 12:33 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Yes.
>> […]

<http://learn.to/quote>

> I overestimated the ability of someone to take a simple question parse
> it and bring in a useful answer. My apologies.

<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#classic>
<http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing>


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Re: UML [message #181710 is a reply to message #181696] Sun, 26 May 2013 21:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> [...]
> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#classic>
> <http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#not_losing>

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Re: UML [message #181716 is a reply to message #181674] Mon, 27 May 2013 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?

Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.

If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
Re: UML [message #181737 is a reply to message #181716] Tue, 28 May 2013 17:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 5/27/2013 7:07 AM, Goran wrote:
> On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>
>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
>
> Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.
>
> If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
>

Thanks Goran appreciate the info.
Re: UML [message #181740 is a reply to message #181674] Tue, 28 May 2013 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Scott Johnson" <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> escribió en el mensaje
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> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
> paper?

Years ago I used a crippled free version of Rational Rose and it was quite
nice, but it has not been available for years.

Now I scribble my designs with Star UML. It has its quirks, but it should be
enough to produce inteligible small diagrams.

Also on the "free" price range, I tried Argo UML; it may be pefect for large
projects (so they say) but it sucks at scribbling.
Re: UML [message #181761 is a reply to message #181737] Thu, 30 May 2013 06:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 28.05.2013 23:42, schrieb Scott Johnson:
> On 5/27/2013 7:07 AM, Goran wrote:
>> On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
>>
>> Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.
>>
>> If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
>>
>
> Thanks Goran appreciate the info.

I used ArgoUML http://argouml.tigris.org/

/Str.
Re: UML [message #181770 is a reply to message #181684] Fri, 31 May 2013 20:47 Go to previous message
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"Scott Johnson" wrote in message news:knov0f$eum$2(at)dont-email(dot)me...

> Actually I just need something to whiteboard on while I am building. I get
> lost in the weeds sometimes.

I spent a lot of money trying out different tools and technologies to
accomplish that - including UML.
They're great for a team environment - if the team embraces them.
But for individual work, I had to just come up with my own processes.
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