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html contact email [message #181970] Fri, 28 June 2013 15:16 Go to next message
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What is wrong with sending email through HTML? For example,
<br />Customer Service
<br /><a href="mailto:orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com</a>


This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically works on my page. The page extension was php but I only had one included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the extension to html.

If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my email to only work sporadically? Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor? Thanks,
Re: html contact email [message #181972 is a reply to message #181970] Fri, 28 June 2013 15:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/28/2013 3:16 PM, jans wrote:
> What is wrong with sending email through HTML? For example,
> <br />Customer Service
> <br /><a href="mailto:orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com</a>
>
>
> This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically works on my page. The page extension was php but I only had one included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the extension to html.
>
> If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my email to only work sporadically? Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor? Thanks,
>

It's bad for two reasons. First of all, it requires the user to use
their own email program. Many users out there only use webmail from
Yahoo, GMail or similar, and don't have a separate email program.

Worse, is it displays your email address on the internet, to be easily
harvested by spammers.

Related note: I'll never forget the time when, during a several-day
power outage, I took my laptop to the local library to use their WiFi.
I found they had the usual POP3, IMAP, etc. ports blocked so I couldn't
fetch email. I mentioned it to the person next to me (who was doing the
same thing). A lady overheard our conversation and said she had no
problem getting her email. But all she knew was Yahoo mail, and had no
concept of another email program - even MS Outlook.

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Re: html contact email [message #181974 is a reply to message #181970] Fri, 28 June 2013 15:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:16:28 -0700 (PDT), jans wrote:
> What is wrong with sending email through HTML? For example,
> <br />Customer Service
> <br /><a href="mailto:orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com</a>
>
>
> This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this
> format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically
> works on my page. The page extension was php but I only had one
> included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the
> extension to html.
>
> If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my
> email to only work sporadically? Is there a way to format php sendmail
> without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor?
> Thanks,

The mailto: reference type is a client-side process and depends on the
client side having a mail user agent defined to the operating system
somehow. PHP is not involved in this, at all.

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Re: html contact email [message #181978 is a reply to message #181970] Fri, 28 June 2013 16:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, June 28, 2013 12:16:28 PM UTC-7, jans wrote:
> What is wrong with sending email through HTML? For example,
>
> <br />Customer Service
>
> <br /><a href="mailto:orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com</a>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this format with the anchor and a customer is claiming it only sporadically works on my page. The page extension was php but I only had one included page, so I copied that page into my page and changed the extension to html.
>
>
>
> If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my email to only work sporadically? Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just a simple email address in an anchor? Thanks,

thanks for both replies for my info, I was instructed to do it this way then they didn't like it because a customer complained. I never used mailto before. I will never know if it was sporadic if it was because of the php extension but maybe that shouldn't matter.
Re: html contact email [message #181980 is a reply to message #181978] Fri, 28 June 2013 16:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jans wrote:
> I will never know if it was sporadic if it was because of the php
> extension but maybe that shouldn't matter.

As Peter already said: it has nothing to do with PHP. The mailto:
protocol is purely a client side issue; it is specified in RFC 2368[1].

[1] <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2368>

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Re: html contact email [message #181981 is a reply to message #181980] Fri, 28 June 2013 16:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I got that,sorry for not being exact. I was assuming they were using Outlook since it is a research office. Ok it must be they weren't. Thanks,

On Friday, June 28, 2013 1:50:47 PM UTC-7, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> jans wrote:
>
>> I will never know if it was sporadic if it was because of the php
>
>> extension but maybe that shouldn't matter.
>
>
>
> As Peter already said: it has nothing to do with PHP. The mailto:
>
> protocol is purely a client side issue; it is specified in RFC 2368[1].
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> [1] <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2368>
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Re: html contact email [message #181982 is a reply to message #181981] Fri, 28 June 2013 17:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jans <janis(dot)rough(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in news:70ac3725-639b-4d0e-ad99-
19b104bc1ffa(at)googlegroups(dot)com:

> I got that,sorry for not being exact. I was assuming they were using Outlook since it is a
research office. Ok it must be they weren't. Thanks,

It has nothing at all to do with which email client the customer is using. The issue is whether the
customer does, or does not, have a default email client configured, without regard to which
one it is. If there is no default email client configured, mailto: will not work. If there is a default
email client configured, mailto: will invoke it, whether it's Eudora, Thunderbird, Outlook
Express, or whatever.
Re: html contact email [message #181983 is a reply to message #181982] Fri, 28 June 2013 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/28/2013 5:11 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
> jans <janis(dot)rough(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in news:70ac3725-639b-4d0e-ad99-
> 19b104bc1ffa(at)googlegroups(dot)com:
>
>> I got that,sorry for not being exact. I was assuming they were using Outlook since it is a
> research office. Ok it must be they weren't. Thanks,
>
> It has nothing at all to do with which email client the customer is using. The issue is whether the
> customer does, or does not, have a default email client configured, without regard to which
> one it is. If there is no default email client configured, mailto: will not work. If there is a default
> email client configured, mailto: will invoke it, whether it's Eudora, Thunderbird, Outlook
> Express, or whatever.
>

The key here is "email client CONFIGURED". They may have a default
email client (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced
it now), but that client may not be configured.

The result is the email client will be invoked - but will be unable to
send email.

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OT [Re: html contact email] [message #181984 is a reply to message #181983] Fri, 28 June 2013 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 28-06-2013 23:21, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced
> it now), but that client may not be configured.

off-topic, and wrong......
Re: OT [Re: html contact email] [message #181987 is a reply to message #181984] Fri, 28 June 2013 18:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, June 28, 2013 2:47:27 PM UTC-7, Luuk wrote:
> On 28-06-2013 23:21, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced
>
>> it now), but that client may not be configured.
>
>
>
> off-topic, and wrong......

I am getting this error even though if you click the anchor you do get the email to pop up:
Notice: Undefined variable: body in C:\xampp\htdocs\distributors1.php on line 437
sales(at)biology(dot)com
<?php $to='sales(at)biology(dot)com'; $subject='Distributor_Email';

echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}'> sales(at)biology(dot)com</a> ";?>

And I tried to add a subject by doing this:
<?php $to='sales(at)biology(dot)com'; $subject='Distributor_Email';$subject='Distributor email';

echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}?subject={$subject}'> sales(at)biology(dot)com</a> ";?>

And I get the right mailto but I get this subject line in the body instead with no subject in the subject line.
?subject=Distributor email
Thanks,
Re: OT [Re: html contact email] [message #181989 is a reply to message #181987] Fri, 28 June 2013 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:17:45 -0700, jans wrote:
> I am getting this error even though if you click the anchor you do get
> the email to pop up: Notice: Undefined variable: body in
> C:\xampp\htdocs\distributors1.php on line 437 sales(at)biology(dot)com

I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course
in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.
[OT] mailto: (was: OT) [message #181992 is a reply to message #181987] Fri, 28 June 2013 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jans wrote:

> $subject='Distributor_Email';$subject='Distributor email';
>
> echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}?subject={$subject}'>
> sales(at)biology(dot)com</a> ";?>
>
> And I get the right mailto but I get this subject line in the body instead
> with no subject in the subject line. ?subject=Distributor email

You have been told before that “mailto:” URIs are interpreted *client-side*
by the e-mail *client* program triggered by the browser, if any.

It does not matter that it is generated server-side with PHP. You do not
really have a PHP problem. (You have the problem not knowing what you are
doing on the Web instead, like how URIs must look like.)

You are *off-topic* here. Read the corresponding RFCs, and RTFM.


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Re: [OT] mailto: (was: OT) [message #181995 is a reply to message #181992] Fri, 28 June 2013 19:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Friday, June 28, 2013 4:34:11 PM UTC-7, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> jans wrote:
>
>
>
>> $subject='Distributor_Email';$subject='Distributor email';
>
>>
>
>> echo "<a href='mailto:{$to}?body={$body}?subject={$subject}'>
>
>> sales(at)biology(dot)com</a> ";?>
>
>>
>
>> And I get the right mailto but I get this subject line in the body instead
>
>> with no subject in the subject line. ?subject=Distributor email
>
>
>
> You have been told before that “mailto:” URIs are interpreted *client-side*
>
> by the e-mail *client* program triggered by the browser, if any.
>
>
>
> It does not matter that it is generated server-side with PHP. You do not
>
> really have a PHP problem. (You have the problem not knowing what you are
>
> doing on the Web instead, like how URIs must look like.)
>
>
>
> You are *off-topic* here. Read the corresponding RFCs, and RTFM.
>
>
>
>
>
> PointedEars
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> computer, another word processor, or another network. -- Tim Berners-Lee
Okay, fair enough. I have one more question. If I have to process it without mailto, is there a way to just have a popup in an anchor? I don't want it to be a form response. I just want to click the anchor link and have the email popup. So should he not have a email configured for example if he uses hotmail then I guess I would have to use some php class for that? I know gmail works as a default but I don't know about hotmail. I am assuming there are only hotmail, yahoo, or gmail to worry about or Outlook
Re: [OT] mailto: [message #181998 is a reply to message #181995] Fri, 28 June 2013 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jans wrote:
> Okay, fair enough. I have one more question. If I have to process
> it without mailto, is there a way to just have a popup in an anchor?
> I don't want it to be a form response. I just want to click the
> anchor link and have the email popup. So should he not have a email
> configured for example if he uses hotmail then I guess I would have
> to use some php class for that? I know gmail works as a default but
> I don't know about hotmail. I am assuming there are only hotmail,
> yahoo, or gmail to worry about or Outlook

There are *many* more, AIUI.

Basically you have two options to offer the possibility to your visitors
to send a mail to you: (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol, which may not
work, as already explained, or (b) you use an (X)HTML form. The latter
may be offered in some kind of "popup", which may be a new browser
window or some kind of CSS "popup"; the latter requires browser side
scripting, which may not be available. The former *may* cause usability
problems.

Anyway, you should heed Timothy's advice and get a book (or online
tutorial/course) to get a basic understanding of web development before
trying to implement option (b). And you may consider looking up some
site, where a mail contact link/form/whatever is implemented in a way
you like. Looking at the way its implemented may give you some valuable
hints (however, note that simply copying foreign code may be copyright
infringement; furthermore it may cause problems, if you don't understand
what the code does).

And please consider not posting via Google Groups if possible. Reading
these posts is often[1] a real pain, let alone replying to them.

[1] However, some are able to produce readable posts via Google Groups. :)

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Re: [OT] mailto: [message #182000 is a reply to message #181998] Fri, 28 June 2013 20:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol

Make that "mailto" protocol, of course.

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Re: [OT] mailto: [message #182006 is a reply to message #182000] Fri, 28 June 2013 22:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>> (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol
>
> Make that "mailto" protocol, of course.

Make that “‘mailto:’ URI scheme”.


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Re: [OT] mailto: (was: OT) [message #182017 is a reply to message #181995] Sat, 29 June 2013 12:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:43:35 -0700, jans wrote:

> Okay, fair enough. I have one more question. If I have to process it
> without mailto, is there a way to just have a popup in an anchor? I
> don't want it to be a form response. I just want to click the anchor
> link and have the email popup. So should he not have a email configured
> for example if he uses hotmail then I guess I would have to use some php
> class for that? I know gmail works as a default but I don't know about
> hotmail. I am assuming there are only hotmail, yahoo, or gmail to worry
> about or Outlook

You're missing the point completely.

The action triggered by clicking a mailto link inside a web browser is
totally reliant upon configuration settings on the client's computer that
the web page provider has no control over whatsoever.

You have no way of telling if the mailto link is going to work or not. If
you want to be friendly to [potential] customers (I assume that you're
developing a site for some sort of customer interaction), the best
solution is to provide as many alternative means of contact as possible -
be inclusive. So: mailto link, contact form, fax, telephone, post,
twitter, facebook, sms ... consider them all as potential means for a
customer to communicate, and provide relevant information for those that
are determined to be valid.

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Re: html contact email [message #182022 is a reply to message #181983] Sat, 29 June 2013 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-06-28 5:21 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 6/28/2013 5:11 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>> jans <janis(dot)rough(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in news:70ac3725-639b-4d0e-ad99-
>> 19b104bc1ffa(at)googlegroups(dot)com:
>>
>>> I got that,sorry for not being exact. I was assuming they were using
>>> Outlook since it is a
>> research office. Ok it must be they weren't. Thanks,
>>
>> It has nothing at all to do with which email client the customer is
>> using. The issue is whether the
>> customer does, or does not, have a default email client configured,
>> without regard to which
>> one it is. If there is no default email client configured, mailto:
>> will not work. If there is a default
>> email client configured, mailto: will invoke it, whether it's Eudora,
>> Thunderbird, Outlook
>> Express, or whatever.
>>
>
> The key here is "email client CONFIGURED". They may have a default
> email client (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced
> it now), but that client may not be configured.

Configured for what? And how is it "key" to this in any way whatsoever?
Outlook is HIGHLY configurable and though I no longer need it, it's
nothing to do with anything talked about here.
Outlook does NOT come with windows; it may be purchases as part of
the Office Suite MS offers or just the one stand-alone application which
is NOT part of the OS.
Outlook Express, dead as it's been for a lot of years, was also
removed. It WAS part of windows, so if that's what you were thinking
of, you're mixed up. XP is the last version of windows that included
Outlook Express, which has NO relation to Outlook whatsoever.

>
> The result is the email client will be invoked - but will be unable to
> send email.

Where the heck you had your head when you wrote that is beyond me, but
it's totally foreign to anything discussed so far.

When you're not sure of what you're about to say, it's best not to say
it and prove you don't know. Neither are rhetorical and ego-bent pompous
unrelated statements of any use.

Please re-adjust your attitudes; you are burning out.

Twayne`
>
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On 2013-06-28 6:52 PM, Timothy wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:17:45 -0700, jans wrote:
>> I am getting this error even though if you click the anchor you do get
>> the email to pop up: Notice: Undefined variable: body in
>> C:\xampp\htdocs\distributors1.php on line 437 sales(at)biology(dot)com
>
> I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course
> in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.
>
Nah, a newsgroup or forum are great places to ask "silly questions" as
long as they're legitimate, which this poster seems to be.

It would be "better" if when you come across a question YOU think is
silly, that you just moved on to one that you don't consider "silly".
Your own proclamations do not create fact in any way.

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On 6/29/2013 6:06 PM, Twayne wrote:
> On 2013-06-28 5:21 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 6/28/2013 5:11 PM, Doug Miller wrote:
>>> jans <janis(dot)rough(at)gmail(dot)com> wrote in news:70ac3725-639b-4d0e-ad99-
>>> 19b104bc1ffa(at)googlegroups(dot)com:
>>>
>>>> I got that,sorry for not being exact. I was assuming they were using
>>>> Outlook since it is a
>>> research office. Ok it must be they weren't. Thanks,
>>>
>>> It has nothing at all to do with which email client the customer is
>>> using. The issue is whether the
>>> customer does, or does not, have a default email client configured,
>>> without regard to which
>>> one it is. If there is no default email client configured, mailto:
>>> will not work. If there is a default
>>> email client configured, mailto: will invoke it, whether it's Eudora,
>>> Thunderbird, Outlook
>>> Express, or whatever.
>>>
>>
>> The key here is "email client CONFIGURED". They may have a default
>> email client (i.e. Windoze comes with Outlook or whatever has replaced
>> it now), but that client may not be configured.
>
> Configured for what? And how is it "key" to this in any way whatsoever?
> Outlook is HIGHLY configurable and though I no longer need it, it's
> nothing to do with anything talked about here.
> Outlook does NOT come with windows; it may be purchases as part of
> the Office Suite MS offers or just the one stand-alone application which
> is NOT part of the OS.
> Outlook Express, dead as it's been for a lot of years, was also
> removed. It WAS part of windows, so if that's what you were thinking
> of, you're mixed up. XP is the last version of windows that included
> Outlook Express, which has NO relation to Outlook whatsoever.
>

The email client must be configured correctly to connect to an MTA -
whether it be gmail, the isp or whatever. It is a key factor - because
without the correct configuration, the user will not be able to send
email. However, I also know that this description is beyond your level
of comprehension.

As for Outlook Express - that's fine. I don't use more MS products than
I absolutely have to. That's why I said OR WHATEVER HAS REPLACED IT
NOW. Windows still comes with some kind of email client.

>>
>> The result is the email client will be invoked - but will be unable to
>> send email.
>
> Where the heck you had your head when you wrote that is beyond me, but
> it's totally foreign to anything discussed so far.
>

Right on top of my shoulders, where it belongs. But again, this is
quite beyond your level of comprehension.

> When you're not sure of what you're about to say, it's best not to say
> it and prove you don't know. Neither are rhetorical and ego-bent pompous
> unrelated statements of any use.
>
> Please re-adjust your attitudes; you are burning out.
>
> Twayne`
>>
>
>

Yes, I would suggest you stop showing your ignorance. It only makes you
look more stoopid.


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Re: html contact email [message #182025 is a reply to message #181978] Sat, 29 June 2013 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-06-28 4:39 PM, jans wrote:
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> On Friday, June 28, 2013 12:16:28 PM UTC-7, jans wrote:
>> What is wrong with sending email through HTML? For example,
>>
>> <br />Customer Service
>>
>> <br /><a href="mailto:orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com" title="Email Tonbo Customer Service">

orders(at)tonbobio(dot)com</a>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This is just a random example I found on the internet but I like this format with the anchor and a customer

is claiming it only sporadically works on my page. The page extension
was php but I only had one included page,

so I copied that page into my page and changed the extension to html.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the page extension was php instead of html would that cause my email to only work sporadically?

Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form
just a simple email address in an

anchor? Thanks,
>
> thanks for both replies for my info, I was instructed to do it this way then they didn't like it

because a customer complained. I never used mailto before. I will
never know if it was sporadic

if it was because of the php extension but maybe that shouldn't matter.
>

This has turned into a pretty long thread that's not going in the
direction you need. Lots of advice, much of it good, but little to let
you point yourself in a good direction. I'm no guru by any means, but
here are my opinions:

1. Mail-to is a poor way to go. In general mailto links are easily
scraped to steal addresses for spam lists and worse because the keep all
the information out in the open. They're easy to compromise.

2. IMO the PHP language is a great way to go as you can have files on
the server which do many things, including providing security for e-mail
addresses and any personal information you may store.

3. You don't mention your OS that I noticed, but the PHP mailto()
function will implement server-side scripts what no one else can see or
get at if it's written with good enough security. All the important
work happens on the server where it's not visible to hackers and doesn't
show up in ANY HTML code that a "view source" displays.

IMO again, the best places to start learning about PHP would be:
1. php.net/manual/en/index.php <----------- more or less a bible on PHP
2. www.w3schools.com/‎ <---- good tutorials, etc. More "plain language"
than the "manual". Testable examples, etc.
3. Newsgroup This one
4. and finally, a good forum:
https://webservices.thesba.com/forum/index.php

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Re: html contact email [message #182027 is a reply to message #182024] Sat, 29 June 2013 18:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Twayne wrote:
[biggasnip]
>> Outlook Express, dead as it's been for a lot of years, was also
>> removed. It WAS part of windows, so if that's what you were thinking
>> of, you're mixed up. XP is the last version of windows that included
>> Outlook Express, which has NO relation to Outlook whatsoever.

I believe you meant that Outlook Express was part of Internet Explorer 6,
instead of a part of Windows. Once IE6 was superceded, OE went away. IE7
and up did not include OE.

> As for Outlook Express - that's fine. I don't use more MS products than
> I absolutely have to. That's why I said OR WHATEVER HAS REPLACED IT
> NOW. Windows still comes with some kind of email client.

No, it doesn't come with an email client. The user must add one separately
and intentionally, such as Outlook, Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird, others.

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Re: html contact email [message #182028 is a reply to message #182027] Sat, 29 June 2013 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/29/2013 6:59 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> Twayne wrote:
> [biggasnip]
>>> Outlook Express, dead as it's been for a lot of years, was also
>>> removed. It WAS part of windows, so if that's what you were thinking
>>> of, you're mixed up. XP is the last version of windows that included
>>> Outlook Express, which has NO relation to Outlook whatsoever.
>
> I believe you meant that Outlook Express was part of Internet Explorer 6,
> instead of a part of Windows. Once IE6 was superceded, OE went away. IE7
> and up did not include OE.
>

OK, so they changed the name (originally there was an Outlook which came
with Windows - back around WNT IIRC). I guess they slimmed it down and
put the full version in MS Office.

But I didn't think it was related to IE at all. Just another app
packaged in Windows.

>> As for Outlook Express - that's fine. I don't use more MS products than
>> I absolutely have to. That's why I said OR WHATEVER HAS REPLACED IT
>> NOW. Windows still comes with some kind of email client.
>
> No, it doesn't come with an email client. The user must add one separately
> and intentionally, such as Outlook, Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird, others.
>

OK, I thought it still came with an email client. I guess you have to
download it from Microsoft (or where ever) then. But even once
downloaded, it still needs to be configured.


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Re: html contact email [message #182029 is a reply to message #182028] Sat, 29 June 2013 20:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> Twayne wrote:
>> [biggasnip]
>>>> Outlook Express, dead as it's been for a lot of years, was also
>>>> removed. It WAS part of windows, so if that's what you were thinking
>>>> of, you're mixed up. XP is the last version of windows that included
>>>> Outlook Express, which has NO relation to Outlook whatsoever.
>>
>> I believe you meant that Outlook Express was part of Internet Explorer
>> 6, instead of a part of Windows. Once IE6 was superceded, OE went away.
>> IE7 and up did not include OE.
>
> OK, so they changed the name (originally there was an Outlook which came
> with Windows - back around WNT IIRC). I guess they slimmed it down and
> put the full version in MS Office.

Outlook is a PIM rather than just an email client. It is completely
separate and unrelated to Outlook Express. This is very common knowledge.
And it never "came with Windows" unless a pre-configured machine was
purchased with it already installed - and then you still paid for a
license.

> But I didn't think it was related to IE at all. Just another app
> packaged in Windows.

OE was always a subset of IE. Also common knowledge.

>>> As for Outlook Express - that's fine. I don't use more MS products
>>> than I absolutely have to. That's why I said OR WHATEVER HAS REPLACED
>>> IT NOW. Windows still comes with some kind of email client.
>>
>> No, it doesn't come with an email client. The user must add one
>> separately and intentionally, such as Outlook, Windows Live Mail,
>> Thunderbird, others.
>
> OK, I thought it still came with an email client. I guess you have to
> download it from Microsoft (or where ever) then.

You can download any email client you want. Some are from Microsoft, most
are not. You can *buy* Outlook if that is your pleasure because it is not
free. Outlook can be purchased separately, or as a bundle with MS Office.

> But even once downloaded, it still needs to be configured.

Well, that's a given. Ms Rough is probably the only one who doesn't know
how that works.

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Re: html contact email [message #182030 is a reply to message #182028] Sat, 29 June 2013 20:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:12:34 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 6/29/2013 6:59 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>
>> No, it doesn't come with an email client. The user must add one separately
>> and intentionally, such as Outlook, Windows Live Mail, Thunderbird, others.
>>
>
> OK, I thought it still came with an email client. I guess you have to
> download it from Microsoft (or where ever) then. But even once
> downloaded, it still needs to be configured.

XP had Outlook Express

Vista had "Windows Mail"

Windows 7 comes/came with Windows Essentials, which includes Windows
Live Mail (formerly Live Mail Desktop, separately, IIRC).

But yes, by default, I don't think these things are set to be the
default mail handler application for the OS, and they're *certainly* not
automagically configured to work properly with whatever the user's
particular prefered email service. Which means that someone would have
had to know that they were there, configure them, set the mail handler
config in wherever the contemporary version of "Internet Options" is.
Obviously, I don't have it configured either. Some mail agent's
installers will do that stuff for you as part of the setup, but not all
do. And it certainly does NOTHING for those of us that are luddite
enough to still be using mutt(1) on a shell account for email.

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Re: html contact email [message #182031 is a reply to message #182025] Sat, 29 June 2013 21:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/29/13 6:37 PM, Twayne wrote:

> Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just
> a simple email address in an
> anchor? Thanks,

To send an email with php, you need to invoke a php script with the data
the script needs to build the email. It doesn't require a "form", but
you do need some way to get the needed info from the user (forms are
just an easy way to get data).

Invoking the script could be done by directing to a page, or by having a
client side script make a background request to the script (like using
AJAX).

The big difference between a mailto link and a php script request is
that the mail to link will assume that there is a proper mail client
configured on the client, and that it will just need information like
the destination address, and (maybe) subject. It will be assumed that it
already knows the users email address and how to send the email from the
client.

The php script on the other hand, likely doesn't need the destination
address and such, but likely DOES need the information about the user
(like their email address, and maybe what to send in the email). This
information will normally come from a form, but it is possible that it
could come from some other source.
Re: html contact email [message #182032 is a reply to message #182029] Sat, 29 June 2013 22:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 6/29/2013 8:31 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> free. Outlook can be purchased separately, or as a bundle with MS Office.
>
>> But even once downloaded, it still needs to be configured.
>
> Well, that's a given. Ms Rough is probably the only one who doesn't know
> how that works.
>

And Twayne, obviously.

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Re: html contact email [message #182033 is a reply to message #182032] Sat, 29 June 2013 22:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle wrote: [no, you didn't, I did]
>> free. Outlook can be purchased separately, or as a bundle with MS
>> Office.
>>
>>> But even once downloaded, it still needs to be configured.
>>
>> Well, that's a given. Ms Rough is probably the only one who doesn't
>> know how that works.
>
> And Twayne, obviously.

You're being harsh. I understood what Twayne meant, even if you didn't.
But then you also didn't know Windows stopped including email clients
several versions ago.

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Re: OT [Re: html contact email] [message #182035 is a reply to message #182023] Sun, 30 June 2013 06:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:11:16 -0400, Twayne wrote:
> On 2013-06-28 6:52 PM, Timothy wrote:
>> I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course
>> in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.
>>
> Nah, a newsgroup or forum are great places to ask "silly questions" as
> long as they're legitimate, which this poster seems to be.

I think you are right in general, but I think the poster is better of,
i.e., it would be more helpful for him, reading a book (or some tutorial,
etc.) in PHP, as he has trouble with an error message that says he needs
to define some variable.

> It would be "better" if when you come across a question YOU think is
> silly, that you just moved on to one that you don't consider "silly".
> Your own proclamations do not create fact in any way.

You are right. "silly" was an inappropriate word choice.


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Re: html contact email [message #182036 is a reply to message #182030] Sun, 30 June 2013 06:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Peter H. Coffin wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 20:12:34 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 6/29/2013 6:59 PM, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> No, it doesn't come with an email client. The user must add one
>>> separately and intentionally, such as Outlook, Windows Live Mail,
>>> Thunderbird, others.
>>
>> OK, I thought it still came with an email client. I guess you have to
>> download it from Microsoft (or where ever) then. But even once
>> downloaded, it still needs to be configured.
>
> XP had Outlook Express
>
> Vista had "Windows Mail"
>
> Windows 7 comes/came with Windows Essentials, which includes Windows
> Live Mail (formerly Live Mail Desktop, separately, IIRC).
>
> But yes, by default, I don't think these things are set to be the
> default mail handler application for the OS,

At least Outlook Express was, which I used on Windows 95 to 2000. It would
be even poorer on Microsoft's record if the other versions were not.

> and they're *certainly* not automagically configured to work properly with
> whatever the user's particular prefered email service. […]

AFAIK, that much is true. One should also consider that there are, arguably
fewer these days in developed countries, Internet cafés where the computer
used does not have a single user, and the user is not allowed to modify
system settings in order to prevent them from interfering with the café's
business.


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Re: html contact email [message #182037 is a reply to message #182031] Sun, 30 June 2013 07:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Richard Damon wrote:

> On 6/29/13 6:37 PM, Twayne wrote:
>> Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just
>> a simple email address in an
>> anchor? Thanks,
>
> To send an email with php, you need to invoke a php script with the data
> the script needs to build the email. It doesn't require a "form", but
> you do need some way to get the needed info from the user (forms are
> just an easy way to get data).

More importantly these days, forms are a way to reduce the risk of being
spammed as by contrast to other means they can include challenge-response
mechanisms to make sure that an actual person earnestly submitted the
information.


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Re: html contact email [message #182042 is a reply to message #182024] Sun, 30 June 2013 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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LOL! That's funny! I correctly guessed exactly two of your responses
would be!

....
>>
>
> The email client must be configured correctly to connect to an MTA -
> whether it be gmail, the isp or whatever. It is a key factor - because
> without the correct configuration, the user will not be able to send
> email. However, I also know that this description is beyond your level
> of comprehension.

You SERIOUSLY think one who is working online forms et al, would NOT
already have a working e-mail client? That's pretty "stoopid" to use
your own word for it,
>
> As for Outlook Express - that's fine. I don't use more MS products than
> I absolutely have to. That's why I said OR WHATEVER HAS REPLACED IT
> NOW. Windows still comes with some kind of email client.

I mentioned OE in passing; YOU were talking about Outlook! And you
couldn't have been more myopic if you actually tried.

>
>>>
>>> The result is the email client will be invoked - but will be unable to
>>> send email.
>>
>> Where the heck you had your head when you wrote that is beyond me, but
>> it's totally foreign to anything discussed so far.
>>
>
> Right on top of my shoulders, where it belongs. But again, this is
> quite beyond your level of comprehension But, that's your modus operandi, isn't it?

There was a time you made a few good posts and actually helped a person
or two, but those days are long gone now for some reason only you and
your psychosis are aware of.
>
>> When you're not sure of what you're about to say, it's best not to say
>> it and prove you don't know. Neither are rhetorical and ego-bent pompous
>> unrelated statements of any use.G
>>
>> Please re-adjust your attitudes; you are burning out.
>>
>> Twayne`
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Yes, I would suggest you stop showing your ignorance. It only makes you
> look more stoopid.

Nice: When you know you loused up, which has been your norm for the last
few years, you start name-calling.

Because you have such a pendant for starting flame wars and arguing
silly things like you do, I'll no longer be bothering with reading
anything you write. I don't participate in your kind of BS and have no
use for egoes as out of control as yours is,

Sea Kelp, man.


>
>
Re: OT [Re: html contact email] [message #182043 is a reply to message #182035] Sun, 30 June 2013 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 2013-06-30 6:46 AM, Timothy wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 18:11:16 -0400, Twayne wrote:
>> On 2013-06-28 6:52 PM, Timothy wrote:
>>> I think you're better off buying a book about PHP or following a course
>>> in PHP, than asking silly questions on Usenet.
>>>
>> Nah, a newsgroup or forum are great places to ask "silly questions" as
>> long as they're legitimate, which this poster seems to be.
>
> I think you are right in general, but I think the poster is better of,
> i.e., it would be more helpful for him, reading a book (or some tutorial,
> etc.) in PHP, as he has trouble with an error message that says he needs
> to define some variable.

That's true. I was tempted to lead the poster to The Manual (PHP),
w3cshools, tizag et al, but wasn't feeling up to reassembling the post
to see if it would be appropriate. Oh well, best laid plans and all
that, eh?
>
>> It would be "better" if when you come across a question YOU think is
>> silly, that you just moved on to one that you don't consider "silly".
>> Your own proclamations do not create fact in any way.
>
> You are right. "silly" was an inappropriate word choice.
>
>
> Timothy
>

Yah, but not a problem really, Tim. We all have our off days and
knee-jerk reactions; it's called being human. You appear a pro-active
person and a thinking person too.

Luck,

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On 2013-06-29 9:34 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/29/13 6:37 PM, Twayne wrote:
>
>> Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just
>> a simple email address in an
>> anchor? Thanks,
>
> To send an email with php, you need to invoke a php script with the data
> the script needs to build the email. It doesn't require a "form", but
> you do need some way to get the needed info from the user (forms are
> just an easy way to get data).
>
> Invoking the script could be done by directing to a page, or by having a
> client side script make a background request to the script (like using
> AJAX).
>
> The big difference between a mailto link and a php script request is
> that the mail to link will assume that there is a proper mail client
> configured on the client, and that it will just need information like
> the destination address, and (maybe) subject. It will be assumed that it
> already knows the users email address and how to send the email from the
> client.
>
> The php script on the other hand, likely doesn't need the destination
> address and such, but likely DOES need the information about the user
> (like their email address, and maybe what to send in the email). This
> information will normally come from a form, but it is possible that it
> could come from some other source.
>

Good response, but I think you misdirected it; the OP is someone else I
forget the name right now, not me. Unless my newsreader is glitched,
which is always possible.

Cheers,

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On 2013-06-30 7:00 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Richard Damon wrote:
>
>> On 6/29/13 6:37 PM, Twayne wrote:
>>> Is there a way to format php sendmail without it being in a form just
>>> a simple email address in an
>>> anchor? Thanks,
>>
>> To send an email with php, you need to invoke a php script with the data
>> the script needs to build the email. It doesn't require a "form", but
>> you do need some way to get the needed info from the user (forms are
>> just an easy way to get data).
>
> More importantly these days, forms are a way to reduce the risk of being
> spammed as by contrast to other means they can include challenge-response
> mechanisms to make sure that an actual person earnestly submitted the
> information.
>
>
> PointedEars
>
EGGzactly - +1!
You can add cross-scripting, code injection and a lot more to the
list too. For windows users Forms are probably the best way to go. I use
them myself though I'm no guru in any way.
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On 6/30/2013 7:52 PM, Twayne wrote:
> LOL! That's funny! I correctly guessed exactly two of your responses
> would be!
>
> ...
>>>
>>
>> The email client must be configured correctly to connect to an MTA -
>> whether it be gmail, the isp or whatever. It is a key factor - because
>> without the correct configuration, the user will not be able to send
>> email. However, I also know that this description is beyond your level
>> of comprehension.
>
> You SERIOUSLY think one who is working online forms et al, would NOT
> already have a working e-mail client? That's pretty "stoopid" to use
> your own word for it,

Yup, there are a lot of people out there who only use Yahoo mail or
other web-based email. They do not have an email client installed (or
configured).

>>
>> As for Outlook Express - that's fine. I don't use more MS products than
>> I absolutely have to. That's why I said OR WHATEVER HAS REPLACED IT
>> NOW. Windows still comes with some kind of email client.
>
> I mentioned OE in passing; YOU were talking about Outlook! And you
> couldn't have been more myopic if you actually tried.
>

Yea, it's just like a troll to make a big deal out of something like
that. But then they have to make a big deal about little things because
they have no leg to stand on for the correct answers.

>>
>>>>
>>>> The result is the email client will be invoked - but will be unable to
>>>> send email.
>>>
>>> Where the heck you had your head when you wrote that is beyond me, but
>>> it's totally foreign to anything discussed so far.
>>>
>>
>> Right on top of my shoulders, where it belongs. But again, this is
>> quite beyond your level of comprehension But, that's your modus
>> operandi, isn't it?
>
> There was a time you made a few good posts and actually helped a person
> or two, but those days are long gone now for some reason only you and
> your psychosis are aware of.

Oh, you mean unlike you, who have NEVER made a helpful post? I have
made a lot of helpful posts here, and recently, also. Just because they
don't fit your narrow mind doesn't mean they're not helpful to others.

>>
>>> When you're not sure of what you're about to say, it's best not to say
>>> it and prove you don't know. Neither are rhetorical and ego-bent pompous
>>> unrelated statements of any use.G
>>>
>>> Please re-adjust your attitudes; you are burning out.
>>>
>>> Twayne`
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I would suggest you stop showing your ignorance. It only makes you
>> look more stoopid.
>
> Nice: When you know you loused up, which has been your norm for the last
> few years, you start name-calling.
>

Nope, just pointing out the facts.

> Because you have such a pendant for starting flame wars and arguing
> silly things like you do, I'll no longer be bothering with reading
> anything you write. I don't participate in your kind of BS and have no
> use for egoes as out of control as yours is,
>

That will be a plus. Then I don't have to read your tripe responses.
But be assured, I will continue to correct your BS.

> Sea Kelp, man.
>
>

ROFLMAO!

>>
>>
>



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Re: [OT] mailto: [message #182104 is a reply to message #182006] Tue, 09 July 2013 20:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
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>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>> (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol
>>
>> Make that "mailto" protocol, of course.
>
> Make that “‘mailto:’ URI scheme”.

ACK. According to RFC 2368 one may call it "The mailto URL scheme".

It seems to me that the quite common use of the wording "mailto
protocol" is a misnomer, which might stem from the wording "HTTP
protocol" (the latter being indeed a protocol, while the former is
not--CMIIW).

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Re: [OT] mailto: [message #182109 is a reply to message #182104] Wed, 10 July 2013 16:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>>> (a) you use the "mailto:" protocol
>>> Make that "mailto" protocol, of course.
>> Make that “‘mailto:’ URI scheme”.
>
> ACK. According to RFC 2368 one may call it "The mailto URL scheme".

With RFC research it is always a good idea to use tools.ietf.org instead of
just www.ietf.org. Not only the former provides the RFC text with
hyperlinks, but it also includes information on updates:

<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6068>

(I have http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc%s with keyword “rfc” as bookmarklet
in Chromium.)

rfc-editor.org also is an up-to-date official reference:

<http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6068>

(Both are second and third in my Google search results for “rfc 2368”.
The plain-text version comes first.)

> It seems to me that the quite common use of the wording "mailto
> protocol" is a misnomer, which might stem from the wording "HTTP
> protocol" (the latter being indeed a protocol, while the former is
> not--CMIIW).

[x] done ;-)


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Re: [OT] mailto: [message #182155 is a reply to message #182109] Sun, 14 July 2013 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn schrieb:

Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

>> ACK. According to RFC 2368 one may call it "The mailto URL scheme".
> With RFC research it is always a good idea to use tools.ietf.org instead of
> just www.ietf.org. Not only the former provides the RFC text with
> hyperlinks, but it also includes information on updates:
>
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6068>
>
> (I have http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc%s with keyword “rfc” as bookmarklet
> in Chromium.)
>
> rfc-editor.org also is an up-to-date official reference:
>
> <http://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6068>
>
> (Both are second and third in my Google search results for “rfc 2368”.
> The plain-text version comes first.)

Thanks. I have not been aware that there are several sets of RFC
documents available, which apparently are not all ammended with
up-to-date information. I shall concentrate on tools.ietf.org/html/ in
the future.

BTW: the current status of RFC 6068 is "proposed standard", so I presume
that RFC 2368 is not actually obsoleted yet.

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Re: [OT] mailto: [message #182157 is a reply to message #182155] Sun, 14 July 2013 18:45 Go to previous message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> BTW: the current status of RFC 6068 is "proposed standard", so I presume
> that RFC 2368 is not actually obsoleted yet.

RFC 2368 *also* is “only” a Proposed Standard, so it is obsoleted by
RFC 6068 (Proposed Standard):

<http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfcxx00.html>

Details would be found in the IETF/IESG documentation and are off-topic
here.


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