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has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183242] Mon, 14 October 2013 10:38 Go to next message
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Hi Php Developer,

I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.

Regards,
Nay Min
Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183247 is a reply to message #183242] Mon, 14 October 2013 20:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
> Hi Php Developer,
>
> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>
> Regards,
> Nay Min
>

Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.

And no way a server written in a scripting language such as PHP loads
faster than a compiled C program such as Apache.

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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183312 is a reply to message #183247] Sun, 20 October 2013 10:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:

> On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>> Hi Php Developer,
>>
>> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Nay Min
>>
>
> Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.

Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
PHP ;-)

Also see:

<http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
< http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
<http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>


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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183313 is a reply to message #183312] Sun, 20 October 2013 10:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/20/2013 10:35 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:
>
>> On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>>> Hi Php Developer,
>>>
>>> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Nay Min
>>>
>>
>> Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.
>
> Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
> web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
> PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
> PHP ;-)
>
> Also see:
>
> <http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
> < http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
> <http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>
>
>

No, I'm not mixing them up. But Apache can also be used as an
application server - and much more efficiently. It does a lot more than
just load PHP pages.


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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183343 is a reply to message #183313] Sun, 20 October 2013 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-20 16:40:

> On 10/20/2013 10:35 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:
>>
>>> On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>>>> Hi Php Developer,
>>>>
>>>> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Nay Min
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.
>>
>> Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
>> web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
>> PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
>> PHP ;-)
>>
>> Also see:
>>
>> <http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
>> < http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
>> <http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>
>>
>>
>
> No, I'm not mixing them up. But Apache can also be used as an
> application server - and much more efficiently. It does a lot more than
> just load PHP pages.

The only application server I know in the context of Apache is Geronimo
(<http://geronimo.apache.org/>) including Tomcat. Maybe you should
clarify what you mean by "application server".


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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183350 is a reply to message #183343] Sun, 20 October 2013 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/20/2013 3:00 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-20 16:40:
>
>> On 10/20/2013 10:35 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:
>>>
>>>> On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>>>> > Hi Php Developer,
>>>> >
>>>> > I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Nay Min
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.
>>>
>>> Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
>>> web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
>>> PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
>>> PHP ;-)
>>>
>>> Also see:
>>>
>>> <http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
>>> < http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
>>> <http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, I'm not mixing them up. But Apache can also be used as an
>> application server - and much more efficiently. It does a lot more than
>> just load PHP pages.
>
> The only application server I know in the context of Apache is Geronimo
> (<http://geronimo.apache.org/>) including Tomcat. Maybe you should
> clarify what you mean by "application server".
>
>

Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
as easily as it can server web pages.

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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183365 is a reply to message #183350] Mon, 21 October 2013 05:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 10/20/2013 3:00 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-20 16:40:
>>
>>> On 10/20/2013 10:35 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:
>>>>
>>>> > On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>>>> >> Hi Php Developer,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >> Nay Min
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.
>>>>
>>>> Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
>>>> web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
>>>> PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
>>>> PHP ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Also see:
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
>>>> < http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
>>>> <http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, I'm not mixing them up. But Apache can also be used as an
>>> application server - and much more efficiently. It does a lot more than
>>> just load PHP pages.
>>
>> The only application server I know in the context of Apache is Geronimo
>> (<http://geronimo.apache.org/>) including Tomcat. Maybe you should
>> clarify what you mean by "application server".
>>
>>
>
> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
> as easily as it can server web pages.

"Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
"application server"? I see.

And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?



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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183369 is a reply to message #183242] Mon, 21 October 2013 06:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks @Arno for the great answer :)
Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183370 is a reply to message #183365] Mon, 21 October 2013 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 10/20/2013 3:00 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-20 16:40:
>>>
>>>> On 10/20/2013 10:35 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>>>> >>> Hi Php Developer,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Regards,
>>>> >>> Nay Min
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.
>>>> >
>>>> > Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
>>>> > web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
>>>> > PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
>>>> > PHP ;-)
>>>> >
>>>> > Also see:
>>>> >
>>>> > <http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
>>>> > < http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
>>>> > <http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm not mixing them up. But Apache can also be used as an
>>>> application server - and much more efficiently. It does a lot more than
>>>> just load PHP pages.
>>>
>>> The only application server I know in the context of Apache is Geronimo
>>> (<http://geronimo.apache.org/>) including Tomcat. Maybe you should
>>> clarify what you mean by "application server".
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>> as easily as it can server web pages.
>
> "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
> "application server"? I see.
>
> And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
> PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>
>
>

No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the
definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
of resource.

And ANY application server passes requests to various applications. It
doesn't do the work itself.

But I see you don't understand how an application server works. It figures.

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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183373 is a reply to message #183370] Mon, 21 October 2013 08:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 21.10.2013 14:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 10/20/2013 3:00 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-20 16:40:
>>>>
>>>> > On 10/20/2013 10:35 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> >> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>>>> >>>> Hi Php Developer,
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>> Nay Min
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
>>>> >> web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
>>>> >> PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
>>>> >> PHP ;-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Also see:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> <http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
>>>> >> < http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
>>>> >> <http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > No, I'm not mixing them up. But Apache can also be used as an
>>>> > application server - and much more efficiently. It does a lot more than
>>>> > just load PHP pages.
>>>>
>>>> The only application server I know in the context of Apache is Geronimo
>>>> (<http://geronimo.apache.org/>) including Tomcat. Maybe you should
>>>> clarify what you mean by "application server".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>>> as easily as it can server web pages.
>>
>> "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
>> "application server"? I see.
>>
>> And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
>> PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>>
>>
>>
>
> No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the

Ok - it was the answer of my request to clarify your(!) understanding of
"application server".

> definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
> of resource.

I see. In this case every system able to handle network request is an
"application server". Interesting - I wonder why the guys at Apache
spend time in maintaining Axis, Tomcat etc. if Apache itself is an
application server already ;-)

> And ANY application server passes requests to various applications. It
> doesn't do the work itself.

Of course the Apache HTTP server does not do the work itself - that's
why it is called a "web server" and not "application server".

> But I see you don't understand how an application server works. It figures.

I do - it's part of my job. And no - I am not limited to C, C++, PHP and
SQL and Apache. But I do distinguish between Apache as a WEB SERVER and
OTHER servers as APPLICATION SERVER.


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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183375 is a reply to message #183369] Mon, 21 October 2013 08:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/21/2013 3:25 AM, Nay Min wrote:
> Thanks @Arno for the great answer :)
>

Which answer are your referring to? I think you forgot to include it in
your reply.

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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183376 is a reply to message #183373] Mon, 21 October 2013 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/21/2013 8:20 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Am 21.10.2013 14:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 10/20/2013 3:00 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-20 16:40:
>>>> >
>>>> >> On 10/20/2013 10:35 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> >>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-15 02:43:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> On 10/14/2013 10:38 AM, Nay Min wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Hi Php Developer,
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> I like to know has anyone already use opensource appserver.io multithread Php server, it sound like we do not need #nginx #apache server anymore and faster load time.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>>> >>>>> Nay Min
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Nope, but then my Apache servers do a lot more than just load PHP pages.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Seems you don't know the difference between an application server and a
>>>> >>> web server. Anyway - appserver.io also does a lot more than just loading
>>>> >>> PHP scripts. At least it sounds promising - a bit like Ruby on Rails in
>>>> >>> PHP ;-)
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Also see:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> <http://www.sitepoint.com/interview-appserver-io-crew/>
>>>> >>> < http://www.dev-metal.com/postmodern-php-appserver-io-multithreaded-applicat ion-server-php-written-php/>
>>>> >>> <http://thestartuppitch.com/pitches/pitch-for-appserver-io/>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No, I'm not mixing them up. But Apache can also be used as an
>>>> >> application server - and much more efficiently. It does a lot more than
>>>> >> just load PHP pages.
>>>> >
>>>> > The only application server I know in the context of Apache is Geronimo
>>>> > (<http://geronimo.apache.org/>) including Tomcat. Maybe you should
>>>> > clarify what you mean by "application server".
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>>>> as easily as it can server web pages.
>>>
>>> "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
>>> "application server"? I see.
>>>
>>> And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
>>> PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the
>
> Ok - it was the answer of my request to clarify your(!) understanding of
> "application server".
>
>> definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
>> of resource.
>
> I see. In this case every system able to handle network request is an
> "application server". Interesting - I wonder why the guys at Apache
> spend time in maintaining Axis, Tomcat etc. if Apache itself is an
> application server already ;-)
>

You don't know the difference, do you? It figures.

>> And ANY application server passes requests to various applications. It
>> doesn't do the work itself.
>
> Of course the Apache HTTP server does not do the work itself - that's
> why it is called a "web server" and not "application server".
>

An application server does not "do the work itself" either. But you
obviously don't understand what an application server does.

>> But I see you don't understand how an application server works. It figures.
>
> I do - it's part of my job. And no - I am not limited to C, C++, PHP and
> SQL and Apache. But I do distinguish between Apache as a WEB SERVER and
> OTHER servers as APPLICATION SERVER.
>
>

Then your boss needs to find someone who knows what they are talking about.

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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183379 is a reply to message #183376] Mon, 21 October 2013 10:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 21.10.2013 15:05, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:

> On 10/21/2013 8:20 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Am 21.10.2013 14:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>> On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
[...]

["Apache HTTP Server is an application server"]
>>>> > Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>>>> > as easily as it can server web pages.
>>>>
>>>> "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
>>>> "application server"? I see.
>>>>
>>>> And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
>>>> PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the
>>
>> Ok - it was the answer of my request to clarify your(!) understanding of
>> "application server".
>>
>>> definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
>>> of resource.
>>
>> I see. In this case every system able to handle network request is an
>> "application server". Interesting - I wonder why the guys at Apache
>> spend time in maintaining Axis, Tomcat etc. if Apache itself is an
>> application server already ;-)
>>
>
> You don't know the difference, do you? It figures.

Do you? Is there any difference for you?

Well - then even PHP is a web server and an application server as well,
since it can be used to serve web pages and run applications without
Apache at all ;-)

[...]
>>> But I see you don't understand how an application server works. It figures.
>>
>> I do - it's part of my job. And no - I am not limited to C, C++, PHP and
>> SQL and Apache. But I do distinguish between Apache as a WEB SERVER and
>> OTHER servers as APPLICATION SERVER.
>>
>>
>
> Then your boss needs to find someone who knows what they are talking about.

ROTFL

Go ahead - enlighten us with your knowledge. Maybe some URL with further
information about the concepts of "application servers"? ;-)


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On 10/21/2013 10:37 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Am 21.10.2013 15:05, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>
>> On 10/21/2013 8:20 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Am 21.10.2013 14:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> > Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
> [...]
>
> ["Apache HTTP Server is an application server"]
>>>> >> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>>>> >> as easily as it can server web pages.
>>>> >
>>>> > "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
>>>> > "application server"? I see.
>>>> >
>>>> > And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
>>>> > PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the
>>>
>>> Ok - it was the answer of my request to clarify your(!) understanding of
>>> "application server".
>>>
>>>> definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
>>>> of resource.
>>>
>>> I see. In this case every system able to handle network request is an
>>> "application server". Interesting - I wonder why the guys at Apache
>>> spend time in maintaining Axis, Tomcat etc. if Apache itself is an
>>> application server already ;-)
>>>
>>
>> You don't know the difference, do you? It figures.
>
> Do you? Is there any difference for you?
>
> Well - then even PHP is a web server and an application server as well,
> since it can be used to serve web pages and run applications without
> Apache at all ;-)
>

Which just shows you have absolutely no idea what an application server is.

> [...]
>>>> But I see you don't understand how an application server works. It figures.
>>>
>>> I do - it's part of my job. And no - I am not limited to C, C++, PHP and
>>> SQL and Apache. But I do distinguish between Apache as a WEB SERVER and
>>> OTHER servers as APPLICATION SERVER.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Then your boss needs to find someone who knows what they are talking about.
>
> ROTFL
>
> Go ahead - enlighten us with your knowledge. Maybe some URL with further
> information about the concepts of "application servers"? ;-)
>
>

Nope. I don't feed trolls.

Now why don't you just crawl back under a bridge? This newsgroup has
been so much nicer when you aren't around.


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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183392 is a reply to message #183380] Mon, 21 October 2013 23:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-21 17:02:

> On 10/21/2013 10:37 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Am 21.10.2013 15:05, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>> On 10/21/2013 8:20 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Am 21.10.2013 14:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> > On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> >> Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>> [...]
>>
>> ["Apache HTTP Server is an application server"]
>>>> >>> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>>>> >>> as easily as it can server web pages.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
>>>> >> "application server"? I see.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
>>>> >> PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the
>>>>
>>>> Ok - it was the answer of my request to clarify your(!) understanding of
>>>> "application server".
>>>>
>>>> > definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
>>>> > of resource.
>>>>
>>>> I see. In this case every system able to handle network request is an
>>>> "application server". Interesting - I wonder why the guys at Apache
>>>> spend time in maintaining Axis, Tomcat etc. if Apache itself is an
>>>> application server already ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> You don't know the difference, do you? It figures.
>>
>> Do you? Is there any difference for you?
>>
>> Well - then even PHP is a web server and an application server as well,
>> since it can be used to serve web pages and run applications without
>> Apache at all ;-)
>>
>
> Which just shows you have absolutely no idea what an application server is.

And your reaction shows you have no idea what a smiley is ;-)



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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183399 is a reply to message #183392] Tue, 22 October 2013 10:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am Dienstag, 22. Oktober 2013 05:37:35 UTC+2 schrieb Arno Welzel:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-21 17:02:
>
>
>
>> On 10/21/2013 10:37 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>>> Am 21.10.2013 15:05, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>
>>>
>
>>>> On 10/21/2013 8:20 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>>>> > Am 21.10.2013 14:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>
>>>> >> On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>>>> >>> Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>
>>> [...]
>
>>>
>
>>> ["Apache HTTP Server is an application server"]
>
>>>> >>>> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>
>>>> >>>> as easily as it can server web pages.
>
>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>> "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
>
>>>> >>> "application server"? I see.
>
>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>> And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
>
>>>> >>> PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>
>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>>
>
>>>> >>
>
>>>> >> No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > Ok - it was the answer of my request to clarify your(!) understanding of
>
>>>> > "application server".
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> >> definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
>
>>>> >> of resource.
>
>>>> >
>
>>>> > I see. In this case every system able to handle network request is an
>
>>>> > "application server". Interesting - I wonder why the guys at Apache
>
>>>> > spend time in maintaining Axis, Tomcat etc. if Apache itself is an
>
>>>> > application server already ;-)
>
>>>> >
>
>>>>
>
>>>> You don't know the difference, do you? It figures.
>
>>>
>
>>> Do you? Is there any difference for you?
>
>>>
>
>>> Well - then even PHP is a web server and an application server as well,
>
>>> since it can be used to serve web pages and run applications without
>
>>> Apache at all ;-)
>
>>>
>
>>
>
>> Which just shows you have absolutely no idea what an application server is.
>
>
>
> And your reaction shows you have no idea what a smiley is ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
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>
> http://de-rec-fahrrad.de

It seems that we went a bit off topic here or should I say more in a debate of principles. In this case I want to second the opinion of Arno with the following link to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server It clarifies what an application server is and what it provides and sorry Jerry but the Apache Webserver as the name says is a webserver that's why they built some other projects like Tomcat and Geronimo which are Servlet Containers or in case of Geronimo real application servers.

cheers,
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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183400 is a reply to message #183399] Tue, 22 October 2013 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 22/10/13 15:48, stefan(dot)willkommer(at)googlemail(dot)com wrote:

> It seems that we went a bit off topic here or should I say more in a
> debate of principles. In this case I want to second the opinion of
> Arno with the following link to wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server It clarifies what an
> application server is and what it provides and sorry Jerry but the
> Apache Webserver as the name says is a webserver that's why they
> built some other projects like Tomcat and Geronimo which are Servlet
> Containers or in case of Geronimo real application servers.
>

Jerry has a minumental talent for redefining terms he has used
incorrectly, in order to claim that after all, he didnt.

I see no need to apologise to him.

I have never seen hm apologise to anyone he has wrongly abused online.

Ther are those who consider him an anal orifice, but in fact he more
resembles a vagina.


> cheers, Stefan
>
> from the appserver.io team
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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183401 is a reply to message #183400] Tue, 22 October 2013 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 16:00:48 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> wrote:

> Jerry has a minumental talent for redefining terms he has used
> incorrectly, in order to claim that after all, he didnt.
>
> I see no need to apologise to him.
>
> I have never seen hm apologise to anyone he has wrongly abused online.
>
> Ther are those who consider him an anal orifice, but in fact he more
> resembles a vagina.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way about him. I should have
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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183403 is a reply to message #183399] Tue, 22 October 2013 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/22/2013 10:48 AM, stefan(dot)willkommer(at)googlemail(dot)com wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 22. Oktober 2013 05:37:35 UTC+2 schrieb Arno Welzel:
>> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-21 17:02:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 10/21/2013 10:37 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>
>>>> Am 21.10.2013 15:05, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> > On 10/21/2013 8:20 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>
>>>> >> Am 21.10.2013 14:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>>> >>> On 10/21/2013 5:44 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>
>>>> >>>> Am 21.10.2013 03:00, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>
>>>> [...]
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ["Apache HTTP Server is an application server"]
>>
>>>> >>>>> Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
>>
>>>> >>>>> as easily as it can server web pages.
>>
>>>> >>>>
>>
>>>> >>>> "Applications are just another URI"... that's your definition of
>>
>>>> >>>> "application server"? I see.
>>
>>>> >>>>
>>
>>>> >>>> And by "serving applications" you mean using Apache to pass requests to
>>
>>>> >>>> PHP, Tomcat, Phusion Passenger etc. or building your own modules in C/C++?
>>
>>>> >>>>
>>
>>>> >>>>
>>
>>>> >>>>
>>
>>>> >>>
>>
>>>> >>> No, that is not MY definition of an application server. That is the
>>
>>>> >>
>>
>>>> >> Ok - it was the answer of my request to clarify your(!) understanding of
>>
>>>> >> "application server".
>>
>>>> >>
>>
>>>> >>> definition of a network resource - of which an application is one type
>>
>>>> >>> of resource.
>>
>>>> >>
>>
>>>> >> I see. In this case every system able to handle network request is an
>>
>>>> >> "application server". Interesting - I wonder why the guys at Apache
>>
>>>> >> spend time in maintaining Axis, Tomcat etc. if Apache itself is an
>>
>>>> >> application server already ;-)
>>
>>>> >>
>>
>>>> >
>>
>>>> > You don't know the difference, do you? It figures.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Do you? Is there any difference for you?
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Well - then even PHP is a web server and an application server as well,
>>
>>>> since it can be used to serve web pages and run applications without
>>
>>>> Apache at all ;-)
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Which just shows you have absolutely no idea what an application server is.
>>
>>
>>
>> And your reaction shows you have no idea what a smiley is ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
>> http://arnowelzel.de
>>
>> http://de-rec-fahrrad.de
>
> It seems that we went a bit off topic here or should I say more in a debate of principles. In this case I want to second the opinion of Arno with the following link to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_server It clarifies what an application server is and what it provides and sorry Jerry but the Apache Webserver as the name says is a webserver that's why they built some other projects like Tomcat and Geronimo which are Servlet Containers or in case of Geronimo real application servers.
>
> cheers,
> Stefan
>
> from the appserver.io team
>

No, Tomcat and Geronimo are servers for specific applications.

You don't understand all of the capabilities of Apache if you don't
understand it can also serve applications.

Sure, it's *main* purpose is as a webserver. But it can do so much
more, with the appropriate modules.

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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183412 is a reply to message #183403] Wed, 23 October 2013 13:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-22 22:03:

[...]
> No, Tomcat and Geronimo are servers for specific applications.

Sorry - but Tomcat and Geronimo are *not* different servers. At least
you should read my references or just admit, that you don't know every
product in the world.

And concerning "specific applications" - this is really a very general
conclusion. Apache HTTP Server (and nginx, Microsoft IIS etc.) is also a
server for specific applications and there are many applications where
an Apache HTTP Server just does not really fit in. Yeah - you can
develop a module for everything - but developing modules for Apache HTTP
Server is not always the smartest solution.

Apache HTTP Server is quite good in serving web pages - but it does not
provide a framework which you need for certain applications
(persistance, session management etc.), since this is not its main purpose.

Of course - you can add all this using modules - but if this is enough
for you to call something an "application server" then your
understanding of "application server" is quite broad... even using a C++
compiler or a PHP runtime it is possible to create something which
serves applications without any other software at all - but even you
would not call a C++ compiler or PHP an "application server".

> You don't understand all of the capabilities of Apache if you don't
> understand it can also serve applications.

Did I ever question this? It was just about how to define something an
"application server".

> Sure, it's *main* purpose is as a webserver. But it can do so much
> more, with the appropriate modules.

Yep - it's *main* purpose is a webserver and Apache HTTP Server can
*also* be extended to serve applications. But some severs are more
tailored to this specific needs and therefore usually called
"application server".

Do you know the saying "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks
like a nail" - maybe you understand now what I mean? I don't have a
problem with Apache HTTP Server - I use it every day and of course I
know about Apache modules as well. But my daily business is not just
using Apache with modules - maybe yours is.


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Re: has anyone used multithreaded PHP appserver.io for application? [message #183414 is a reply to message #183412] Wed, 23 October 2013 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 10/23/2013 1:54 PM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-22 22:03:
>
> [...]
>> No, Tomcat and Geronimo are servers for specific applications.
>
> Sorry - but Tomcat and Geronimo are *not* different servers. At least
> you should read my references or just admit, that you don't know every
> product in the world.
>
> And concerning "specific applications" - this is really a very general
> conclusion. Apache HTTP Server (and nginx, Microsoft IIS etc.) is also a
> server for specific applications and there are many applications where
> an Apache HTTP Server just does not really fit in. Yeah - you can
> develop a module for everything - but developing modules for Apache HTTP
> Server is not always the smartest solution.
>
> Apache HTTP Server is quite good in serving web pages - but it does not
> provide a framework which you need for certain applications
> (persistance, session management etc.), since this is not its main purpose.
>
> Of course - you can add all this using modules - but if this is enough
> for you to call something an "application server" then your
> understanding of "application server" is quite broad... even using a C++
> compiler or a PHP runtime it is possible to create something which
> serves applications without any other software at all - but even you
> would not call a C++ compiler or PHP an "application server".
>
>> You don't understand all of the capabilities of Apache if you don't
>> understand it can also serve applications.
>
> Did I ever question this? It was just about how to define something an
> "application server".
>
>> Sure, it's *main* purpose is as a webserver. But it can do so much
>> more, with the appropriate modules.
>
> Yep - it's *main* purpose is a webserver and Apache HTTP Server can
> *also* be extended to serve applications. But some severs are more
> tailored to this specific needs and therefore usually called
> "application server".
>
> Do you know the saying "if all you have is a hammer, everything looks
> like a nail" - maybe you understand now what I mean? I don't have a
> problem with Apache HTTP Server - I use it every day and of course I
> know about Apache modules as well. But my daily business is not just
> using Apache with modules - maybe yours is.
>
>

This "response" is so full of holes it's not even worth a response. But
that's what I've come to expect from you, Arno. You're right about
everything, even when you have no idea what you're talking about (as
here). And everyone else is wrong.

For your information, I was working with application servers way back in
the 80's - long before the internet became popular. Unlike you, I DO
know what an application server is. And unlike you, I DO know how to
set up Apache as an application server. You obviously don't, so you
claim it can't be done. You haven't even researched it, have you? Not
that it matters - you would just claim whomever posted the information
you disagree with is wrong, also.

I'm outta here, troll.

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Jerry Stuckle, 2013-10-23 20:09:

[Fullquote deleted - is this really neccessary?]

> This "response" is so full of holes it's not even worth a response. But

Which holes? Can you name at least one? Can you show me where I'm wrong
in my knowledge about Apache Geronimo and that Tomcat is not just a
different server besides Geronimo?

> that's what I've come to expect from you, Arno. You're right about
> everything, even when you have no idea what you're talking about (as
> here). And everyone else is wrong.

As I know you... no details and no *specific* critics, just a generic
"you don't know what you are talking about"...

> For your information, I was working with application servers way back in
> the 80's - long before the internet became popular. Unlike you, I DO

If you want to say I wouldn't respect your age and experience - you're
wrong. This was not the point and I apologize if you got it wrong.

> know what an application server is. And unlike you, I DO know how to
> set up Apache as an application server. You obviously don't, so you

Me too - so what?

> claim it can't be done. You haven't even researched it, have you? Not

Where exactly did I claim that Apache HTTP Server can not be used to
serve applications? I never questioned, that Apache HTTP Servers can be
used like this - I just asked how *YOU* define "application server"
since I don't agree with "applications are just another URI" - this is
way to simplified.

You could have answered, that "application server" is a concept and not
just a software and also post some references for further information,
so others could learn something as well.

But no - instead you rely on your big ego. If you say something
everybody else will just have to take this for granted like
"Applications are just another URI. Apache can server applications just
as easily as it can server web pages." - and that's it - perdiod. If
Jerry Stuckle says this, it has to be like that and no further
discussion about the topic "what are application servers and why are
there different Apache projects to deal with different needs".

And you tell ME that I assume "everybody else is wrong", if a say
something. Remember of <stefan(dot)willkommer(at)googlemail(dot)com>? He didn't
agree to you as well. Of course you will see this as an irrelevant post
by someone who does not know anything about this topic as well - don't you?

And I already mentioned in <5264F77F(dot)9040908(at)arnowelzel(dot)de> that I asked
YOU if YOU mean using MODULES in APACHE by "using Apache HTTP Server as
application server". BTW - I also use Phusion Passenger for some of our
applications besides the PHP stuff.

And your answer to this was:

"But I see you don't understand how an application server works. It
figures."

And in <l46llo$qjo$2(at)dont-email(dot)me> you even confirmed my assumption:

"You don't understand all of the capabilities of Apache if you don't
understand it can also serve applications.

Sure, it's *main* purpose is as a webserver. But it can do so much
more, with the appropriate modules."

> that it matters - you would just claim whomever posted the information
> you disagree with is wrong, also.

Where exactly did I say anything like this? Where exactly did I
disagree, that Apache can be used to serve applications using modules?

> I'm outta here, troll.

As all this is already WAY off topic - F'Up to poster if you really want
to discuss opinions. For me end of public discussion here - if you want
to go on, send me an e-mail or let it be. I apoloogize for bringing so
much noise in here - but to be honest you must admit, that you are also
a bit stubborn in way ;-)


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