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PEAR is dead? [message #183819] Thu, 21 November 2013 16:15 Go to next message
Mladen Gogala is currently offline  Mladen Gogala
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The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
nothing. The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use
(Console_Getopt, Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? Having
such a repository would be more than useful, in my opinion it was a
mistake to standardize error handling and all those things that are in
the PEAR package.



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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183823 is a reply to message #183819] Thu, 21 November 2013 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mladen Gogala wrote:

> The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
> new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
> notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
> package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
> Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
> nothing. The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use
> (Console_Getopt, Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
> the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? Having
> such a repository would be more than useful, in my opinion it was a
> mistake to standardize error handling and all those things that are in
> the PEAR package.

I cannot comment on the general state of PEAR as I'm using only a few of
its packages, but you may have a look at the website of the packages
you're using. E.g. HTML_Form[1] has been superseded by
HTML_QuickForm2[2], which seems to be still maintained. And that what
it's all about: as long as there are maintainers for the packages, PEAR
is not dead. I believe that every helping hand is welcome as usual for
OSS. ;)

[1] <http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_Form>
[2] <http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_QuickForm2>
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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183824 is a reply to message #183819] Thu, 21 November 2013 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mladen Gogala wrote:

> The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
> new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
> notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
> package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
> Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
> nothing.

That does not ap-PEAR to be correct.

> The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use (Console_Getopt,
> Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
> the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? […]

Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not? If yes, why are you
still asking?


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183826 is a reply to message #183824] Thu, 21 November 2013 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

>
> Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not?

Yes, I have.

> If yes, why are you still asking?

Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
haven't had any releases for quite some time.



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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183828 is a reply to message #183824] Thu, 21 November 2013 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 21/11/13 21:54, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
>> The existing PEAR packages are still mostly written using PHP 4 and the
>> new releases just aren't there. Some packages need to be run with the
>> notification for deprecated features turned off. I use some of their
>> package for convenience (HTML_Form, HTML_Table, Image_GraphViz and
>> Spreadsheet_Excel_Writer) but there are no new releases, no updates,
>> nothing.
>
> That does not ap-PEAR to be correct.
>
>> The same applies to other packages that I sometimes use (Console_Getopt,
>> Date, Log). Does anyone have more info about PEAR? Is
>> the project that was lambasted as PHP CPAN really going belly up? […]
>
> Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not? If yes, why are you
> still asking?
>
>
> PointedEars
>
perhaps its just gone PEAR shaped?

....I'll get my coat...

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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183829 is a reply to message #183826] Thu, 21 November 2013 17:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mladen Gogala wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not?
>
> Yes, I have.

Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?

>> If yes, why are you still asking?
>
> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
> haven't had any releases for quite some time.

pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago. Also, OSS requires people
who not only want to consume.


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183830 is a reply to message #183829] Thu, 21 November 2013 17:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?

However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.

>> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
>> haven't had any releases for quite some time.
>
> pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago. Also, OSS requires people
> who not only want to consume.

ACK.

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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183832 is a reply to message #183830] Thu, 21 November 2013 18:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>> [...]
>> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>
> However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.

The date there does not matter.


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183840 is a reply to message #183832] Fri, 22 November 2013 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 22.11.2013 00:27, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>
>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>>
>> However, that was written on 24th Jan 2012 -- nearly two years ago.
>
> The date there does not matter.

So - what does a news tell us about the activitiy of a project, if it is
nearly two years old?


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183841 is a reply to message #183829] Fri, 22 November 2013 06:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Am 21.11.2013 23:41, schrieb Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn:
> Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 22:54:53 +0100, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Have you visited the PEAR site lately? If no, why not?
>>
>> Yes, I have.
>
> Have you found the section titled “Hot off the Press”?
>
>>> If yes, why are you still asking?
>>
>> Because the essential packages like PEAR itself and PHP_Beautifier
>> haven't had any releases for quite some time.
>
> pear/pear-core had the last update 5 days ago. Also, OSS requires people
> who not only want to consume.

ACK.

But about the last update of pear...

<http://pear.php.net/package/PEAR/>

Current Release
1.9.4 (stable) was released on 2011-07-07 (Changelog)

What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183862 is a reply to message #183841] Fri, 22 November 2013 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Arno Welzel wrote:

> What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?

Most likely the GIT repository:

<https://github.com/pear/pear-core>

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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183865 is a reply to message #183862] Fri, 22 November 2013 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Arno Welzel wrote:
>> What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?
>
> Most likely the GIT repository:
>
> <https://github.com/pear/pear-core>

Which is mentioned in the document linked from said section of the PEAR
site. Which is why the date on the PEAR site does not matter.


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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183866 is a reply to message #183865] Fri, 22 November 2013 17:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>
>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> What exactly do you refer by "pear/pear-core"?
>>
>> Most likely the GIT repository:
>>
>> <https://github.com/pear/pear-core>
>
> Which is mentioned in the document linked from said section of the PEAR
> site. Which is why the date on the PEAR site does not matter.

On further rethinking: ACK.

> Pointed"<Q>Oh, you'd like me to connect the dots for you, lead you from A to
> B to C, so that your puny mind could comprehend? How boring.</Q>"Ears

"The only noble desire is the desire to serve others." -- Surak :)

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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183867 is a reply to message #183866] Fri, 22 November 2013 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On 22/11/13 22:45, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> "The only noble desire is the desire to serve others." -- Surak :)
>
Noble and pointed ears? novel concept...

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Re: PEAR is dead? [message #183868 is a reply to message #183866] Fri, 22 November 2013 18:01 Go to previous message
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Christoph Michael Becker wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>> Pointed"<Q>Oh, you'd like me to connect the dots for you, lead you from A
>> to B to C, so that your puny mind could comprehend? How boring.</Q>"Ears
>
> "The only noble desire is the desire to serve others." -- Surak :)

Non-canon ;-)


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