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automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #16118] Wed, 14 January 2004 17:41 Go to next message
severe44 is currently offline  severe44   Ukraine
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I suggest to add in ToDo system of the automatic prevention and punishment of infringers of rules of a forum.

1. Moderators of all levels can bear pressing of one button the prevention to the infringer. The description of the reason of the prevention is sent the infringer by the personal message or published as the usual message. At him increase the counter of infringements which is seen by all, for example, near to a rank of the infringer.

2. At quantity of infringements X login of the infringer automatically blocked there is more change. The message on blocking a login is sent the administrator of forums.

3. At manual blocking the infringer (on a login either ip or e-mail) the administrator can specify term of blocking. For a login date up to which the login will it is blocked it can to be published in the information on the user. When there comes this date, the login is automatically cleaned from the list blocked.

4. Term of automatic blocking can be set to a variable. At automatic removal of blocking the counter of preventions is nulled.

PS. English is not native language for me. Sorry, if may English is bad.
Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #16119 is a reply to message #16118] Wed, 14 January 2004 17:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If someone violates rules send them a warning if they ignore your warning ban them.

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Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #16120 is a reply to message #16118] Wed, 14 January 2004 18:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When forums many one person cannot supervise a rule in all forums and remember all sent warnings. When it is a lot of forums and in everyone there are moderators to coordinate their actions on punishment of the concrete infringer it is impossible. Only manually.

The infringer can easy break rules up to the first prevention, then go to the next forum and harm there, later return back when the moderator will forget about the last prevention and go to ...

The history and the counter of warnings strongly would help with this problem. Automatic removal of blocking too is convenient, since at the big number of blocking it is impossible to remember what of them is not so necessary.
Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #16151 is a reply to message #16120] Fri, 16 January 2004 12:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dunno it seems to me this can already be done via a private moderators only forum. The only thing which may be of interest to implement is the "timer" feature allowing temporary bans to be established.

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Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #16187 is a reply to message #16118] Sun, 18 January 2004 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks for acceptance of idea "timer" for ban.

I 4 years am engaged in technical and organizational support of one noncommercial project. 9200 users, 10 categories, 48 thematic forums, 22 moderators. I use phpBB2 last 2 years.But this forum to me is not so convenient. And regarding administration even it is completely not convenient.

At such quantity of users of a problem with idiots arise enough frequently.
To collect all moderators in one forum it is unreal, since specially for this purpose they will not read it, and joint dialogue is not interesting to them, as their forums of very different thematics. I think, that it is inconvenient.

By the way, one more offer for ToDo. To make "the black list" banned users and ip addresses. It should be made as separate public page where the list bans would be published, time up to which operates ban and the brief reason of ban. Such list would be convenient, that blocked understood for what have closed them and on how many.
Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #17087 is a reply to message #16119] Tue, 16 March 2004 03:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ilia wrote on Wed, 14 January 2004 17:51

If someone violates rules send them a warning if they ignore your warning ban them.


I agree with severe44 here. The really neat (and critical for me to be able to use FUD) option would be if, when you send a warning to a user, the message you delete is stored in the crook's profile, and visible to moderators.

This means that when one of our 30 moderators sends a warning to a member, he/she can check the profile to see earlier warnings issued to that member. That would give us full control, and ensure that all members are treated equally. Also, we can defend our decision to ban someone more easily.

E.g. there could be two types of "delete"-buttons: One without warning, which simply removes the message, and one WITH warning, which sends a warning and stores the deleted message in the user's profile - for MODs to see.
Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #17096 is a reply to message #17087] Tue, 16 March 2004 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This approach has many difficulties.

First of all not only moderators can delete messages, individual users can be granted this permission via the group manager as well. These users won't have any access to the monitor page with previously removed messages.

Secondly only admins can ban users and admins already have access to "Action Log" that shows which messages were removed and by whom,

Additionally, moderators may moderate some forums and not even have access to other forums, meaning they may not (should not) some of the previously removed messages for that very reason.


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Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #17100 is a reply to message #17096] Wed, 17 March 2004 01:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ilia wrote on Tue, 16 March 2004 10:06

This approach has many difficulties.

First of all not only moderators can delete messages, individual users can be granted this permission via the group manager as well. These users won't have any access to the monitor page with previously removed messages.

Secondly only admins can ban users and admins already have access to "Action Log" that shows which messages were removed and by whom,

Additionally, moderators may moderate some forums and not even have access to other forums, meaning they may not (should not) some of the previously removed messages for that very reason.


hmmm... but the Action Log doesn't show the content of the messages that were deleted - or who wrote them, right?

ok - another approach; what if we had a hidden forum - invisible to normal users - and used a "delete with warning"-function to move those messages to that forum? Like a garbage bin. So admins and mods can search for a user name in that forum and thereby get a full list with the messages for which that user has received warnings?

...any other approaches / solutions highly appreciated...
Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #17102 is a reply to message #17100] Wed, 17 March 2004 04:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why can't delete messages for which that user has received warnings? It is not necessary to store history and the reason of removal of warnings. Simply the counter of quantity of warnings, which value could be edited to the main administrator of a forum. Also this value can be nulled if the user will be amnestied (unbanned, after ban).

And unban must be automatically, when time of ban is out :)
Re: automatic prevention and punishment of infringers [message #17107 is a reply to message #17102] Wed, 17 March 2004 08:24 Go to previous message
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Once again a problem, not all users who can delete message will nor should be able to read all deleted messages. The deleted messages may have originated in forum(s) they don't have access to.

Why not simply move the message/topic using existing tools into a separate 'ban' forum? You can supply the reason for the removal in a form of a reply to the message.
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