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Expanded flat view [message #2591] Sun, 12 May 2002 06:25 Go to next message
esm2002 is currently offline  esm2002   United States
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right now we have a tree view and flat view
how about an view option that would be a combination of both -
It would more resemble the tree view - take the flat view and add the bottom part of the tree view.

It would look just like this

msg 1
o reply 1 to msg 1
o reply 2 to msg 1
o reply 3 to msg 1
msg 2
o reply 1 to msg 2
o reply 1 to reply 1 of msg 2
o reply 1 to reply 1 msg 2
o reply 2 to reply 1 of msg 2
o reply 2 to msg 2
msg 3
o reply 1 to msg 3
msg 4
o reply 1 to msg 4
o reply 2 to msg 4

And I am still after the expanded tree view!!!!

hmmm...after you think about it, you have two options which leads to 4 combinations ...

flat and tree....so why not have:
flat, flat - this we got
tree, tree - this would be great!!! The expanded tree
flat, tree - this is described above
tree, flat - this we got
(yeah, I don't got this just right but you get the idea)

OK, I woke up at 5am and my thinking is still fuzzy Confused - but then that is normal for me... Grin

There is a mb out there that does this - www.dcscript.com ( I've mentioned it before ). I thinks FUDforum has the potential to be a real player in the mb area - it is already a great product - and that is why I am using it at my site - less than a week after first seeing it....


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Re: Expanded flat view [message #2595 is a reply to message #2591] Sun, 12 May 2002 09:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There are 2 other forums which do this that I am aware of gossamer-threads & phorum. The biggest problem I have with implementing such a feature is figuring out a FAST algorithm for drawing such a view.

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Re: Expanded flat view [message #2596 is a reply to message #2595] Sun, 12 May 2002 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well, design a SLOW algorithm to draw the dang screen and tweak it over time to make it FAST. Grin

Besides, as you said in one of your posts, if you wanted fast, you'd write the dang thing in C...!!!

And we'd get rid of all the icons, avatars, and files attachments!!!

And not EVERYTHING has to be SUPER fast....! Average is ok, too.

And if you make it an option, well, folks don't have to use it...!

Have I convinced you yet...!?!?! Grin

Great! Now, how about the Expanded Tree feature! Very Happy

I'm very much aware of phorum ( very, very poor interface ) and G-T. One of the applications I use uses G-T on its support page and I really like it. But they do a poor job of delineating threads in their expanded view ( they actually have 2 types of expanded view - expand the current thread and expand the current section of the thread ). All they do is alternate the colors of the rows and it is difficult to see where one thread ends and another one starts.


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Re: Expanded flat view [message #2597 is a reply to message #2596] Sun, 12 May 2002 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am of a belief that code should be written properly or not at all and I take special pride in the fact FUDforum is faster then anything else out there. Adding a feature that would be extremely slow and could potentially be used by a webuser to bog down the webserver is NOT a good idea IMHO.

Writing in C would certainly make the forum more then 2x faster BUT developing a forum in C would simply take too darn long.


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Re: Expanded flat view [message #2600 is a reply to message #2597] Sun, 12 May 2002 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, then you will just have to come up with a fast way....the other forums have done it and I have the confidence that you can do it also!!!

I'll look forward to news of its development! Razz

Besides, in theory it would have to be faster to display just the title line of each msg in the thread than to display ALL the text and ALL the icons/avatars of ALL the msgs!!!!!


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Re: Expanded flat view [message #2603 is a reply to message #2600] Sun, 12 May 2002 11:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well yes, which is why we have our current thread view. However for the "tree" view for thread page where we already just show title it is more complex because the trees for each displayed thread need to be resolved & shown.

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Re: Expanded flat view [message #2604 is a reply to message #2600] Sun, 12 May 2002 14:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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esm2002 wrote on Sun, 12 May 2002 6:40 PM

Well, then you will just have to come up with a fast way....the other forums have done it and I have the confidence that you can do it also!!!


Why don't you cool down a bit... FUDforum is open source (GPL-ed), you pay nothing for this piece of software so you don't get to demand things either.

As I see this you have exactly two options - either you create the code yourself or you stick to what other people create for you. You get to suggest things, but demanding them is impolite, some might even say rude. It does nothing to accomplish your goal either, more likely it will make people less motivated to add the features you request.

Worst of all is when you ask for something, the developers explain why it either can't be done or why they don't think it is a good idea and you keep bitching about it even after that. Show some gratitude instead of complaining. Or fork the code and make the changes yourself, you're allowed to do that.



BTW, FUDforum seems to need a rant tag... Smile
Re: Expanded flat view [message #2606 is a reply to message #2604] Sun, 12 May 2002 17:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi,
I agree with ur point of view. Every now and then u meet ppl who don't get the point of Open Source. There's no one forcing someone to do something in a certain way. Prottoss already made a hint: If someone wants a special customization one can get it by *paying* for the service. We make our contributions and suggestions on a voluntary basis, just because we like the idea and what is becoming of it. It's just great to watch how it grows Smile Making suggestions is ok, also reporting bugs. But not telling others what to do and ignoring good reasons for not implementing something. intolerance always sucks.
PS: U wasn't the first one ranting here, I already have done it in a similiar situation some weeks ago, but not that kind and diplomatic Wink
bye Ken
Re: Expanded flat view [message #2618 is a reply to message #2604] Sun, 12 May 2002 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Let me apologize. It was not my intent to demand what I suggested. What I said was an attempt to encourage those who can make changes - at least that is what I intended it to say. In looking at what I wrote, I can see were one could say that I was demanding that it be done and thus rude. If you thought that, then I apologize. I did not intend that it be demanding. Sometimes, the written word in these short messages do not always convey what the author means them to convey. I'm still responsible for what I write and I try to clearly convey my msg. But in this case, I did not. I am sorry for that.

I certainly meant no disrespect to those who have helped me nor am I unappreciative of the answers I have received. Evevyone has been excellent.

If you look at my posts, I don't think I've ever been critical of others or of the help I have received. I have on several ocassions complimented those who have worked on this software.



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Apology accepted... [message #2631 is a reply to message #2618] Mon, 13 May 2002 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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OK, fair enough. Apology accepted. Now, let's get back to work... Smile
Re: Apology accepted... [message #2657 is a reply to message #2631] Wed, 15 May 2002 08:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I'm just back from a 2 day trip to Wash DC.

Thanks, I really didn't mean for the post to be demanding. I think FUDforum and the folks involved with it are great and I'd like to be a positive part of that.


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Re: Expanded flat view [message #8852 is a reply to message #2591] Tue, 25 February 2003 20:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The common term for this view is a 'nested' view and it is used by a lot of discussion systems (Slashdot being the most visible).

The way I've seen this implemented is unfortunately very different from the current FUDForum layout: all user info is hidden in the user info page and only the username and a few other details are provided for each post, in the subject row.

The described layout solves the 'will it line up' issue by simply avoiding any need to line up columns.

I believe it could be successfully implemented though it would dramatically change the interface. Luckily it would only be one option of several for users to choose how to read posts, and an extremely viable option IMO.

Re: Expanded flat view [message #8855 is a reply to message #8852] Tue, 25 February 2003 21:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am not sure I understand the suggestion nor do I see the problem you seem to be hinting at in the current nested and/or threaded view.

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Re: Expanded flat view [message #17317 is a reply to message #2591] Thu, 25 March 2004 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And we'd get rid of all the icons, avatars, and files attachments!!!

And not EVERYTHING has to be SUPER fast....! Average is ok, too.



Some people do not see the importance and implications of speed. For a single user, there is no problem with waiting another 0.5 seconds to load some icons. They come directly from disk or even better out of the cache, so the server isn't bothered very much.

But serving an average page in 0.02 seconds instead of 0.1 seconds makes a huge difference in a heavy frequented forum. It means you can serve 5 times as many users before your server goes down to its knees. Once you have ever had that problem you will understand. Also in a shared web hosting environment CPU load is a very critical factor.
Re: Expanded flat view [message #18928 is a reply to message #2591] Thu, 17 June 2004 13:20 Go to previous message
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Has this gone anywhere? I would like to see a nested-flat view also.

I'm looking on the bright side, but I still don't see the light! Idea
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