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You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30425] Fri, 24 February 2006 05:01 Go to next message
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Hi,
When I use "show what people are doing" feature I can see a lot of users with "You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic" status. Why? I'm an administrator and moderator so I think I should know what people work on. Could you explain me in what situation this message appears?

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30432 is a reply to message #30425] Fri, 24 February 2006 13:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you are logged is the admin user you should see the what the user is doing. Examining the code logic inside actions.php.t I don't see a problem with the code.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30732 is a reply to message #30425] Sat, 11 March 2006 05:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can this text also appear under another condition?
I can see it quite often appearing next to anonymous users on this forum.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30748 is a reply to message #30732] Sun, 12 March 2006 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This will appear if the anon user tried to access visible but not accessible forum.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30750 is a reply to message #30425] Sun, 12 March 2006 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thank you for clarifying, I didn't thought of this possibility.
As I read this text, I thought that I hadn't the permission to see the topic that the anonymous user was seeing.
So how do you think about changing this to a phrase that makes this clear?

[Updated on: Sun, 12 March 2006 13:07]

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30791 is a reply to message #30750] Mon, 13 March 2006 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you have suggestions I am more then happy to entertain them. You can change the text yourself by editing the appropriate entry via the template editor.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30807 is a reply to message #30748] Tue, 14 March 2006 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have a solution in mind, but as I now have my own forum I would like to test it first.
Unfortunately I can't reproduce this:
Ilia wrote on Sun, 12 March 2006 18:26

This will appear if the anon user tried to access visible but not accessible forum.

I posted a link to a topic only registered members can access (permissions for anonymous users: Visible=Yes, Read=No) in a topic everybody can access. Now I logged off and followed the link, I got redirected to the login page. And the action list said: "Login Form".

Did I get your post wrong?

[Updated on: Wed, 15 March 2006 00:44]

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30813 is a reply to message #30807] Wed, 15 March 2006 09:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You didn't to replicate the problem you'd need to make your application not follow the redirect.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30815 is a reply to message #30425] Wed, 15 March 2006 16:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, I can't reproduce it. So I make my suggestions, without having tested it.

My favourite solution would be:
Only show actions/posts, the watching user is allowed to see. If he isn't allowed to see the current action/post, show the last one.

But I think that this isn't possible for actions, because I think that there is no 'history' of actions by the user and only the last action is saved. In this case I'd like to suggest to pretend that the user is browsing the forum's list.

And for the anonymous user, I'd like to suggest that you show the last action the user was allow to do or leave it blank.

So in the end we wouldn't need this text any more.

[Updated on: Wed, 15 March 2006 16:08]

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30842 is a reply to message #30425] Fri, 17 March 2006 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Any comments on my suggestion? Rolling Eyes

EDIT (I want to add a reason for my suggestion):
I don't think that is a good idea to show this text, because maybe the admin wants to hide a forum completely to some users. And if these users see "You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic." they will know that there is a forum that they can't see.

[Updated on: Sun, 19 March 2006 05:08]

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30894 is a reply to message #30842] Sun, 19 March 2006 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Storing browsing history of the user would be too slow and memory intensive, so there are no plans to do that in the near or far future. If you want to have different text displayed on no-permission, simply change the template and provide a different default then the one currently being used.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30910 is a reply to message #30425] Mon, 20 March 2006 10:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't you think pretending the user is browsing the forum list is better than using the 'irritating' text?

Then we could change the text related to the anonymous user into something like "User isn't allowed to access topic".

And is it possible to show the last message (in the column "Last Message"), that the user is allowed to see instead of "You don't have ..."?

[Updated on: Mon, 20 March 2006 10:57]

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30911 is a reply to message #30910] Mon, 20 March 2006 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Why is it irritating, I don't see how it is irritating?

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30932 is a reply to message #30425] Tue, 21 March 2006 09:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well, I think the text appearing next to anonymous users is irrating.
The other suggestions are not irrating but I think they would be nice in order to hide the hidden forums better (see my post above).

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30938 is a reply to message #30932] Tue, 21 March 2006 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The current message hides hidden forum well, it leaks no information about the hidden forum. As I've said before if you want to alter the text, you can by editing the actions.tmpl template file.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30955 is a reply to message #30425] Wed, 22 March 2006 09:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I admit that the text doesn't give any information about the hidden forum, but the users reading the text will certainly know that there is a hidden forum.

Apparently you don't want to implement my suggestions, so I 'reduce' it to the suggestion to change the next appearing next to the anonymous users into "User isn't allowed to access topic".

[Updated on: Wed, 22 March 2006 09:09]

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30958 is a reply to message #30955] Wed, 22 March 2006 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Not necessarily, there are several protected areas of the forum such as "moderation control panels" that would also lead to such a message being displayed. So, a hidden forum is just one of many possible reasons for this message.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30970 is a reply to message #30425] Wed, 22 March 2006 16:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ah, didn't know this...

But I think that the only reason for this text appearing in the column "Last Message" can be a hidden forum. Or could this have other reasons too?

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #30985 is a reply to message #30970] Thu, 23 March 2006 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Anytime when forum based admin control panel is accessed by moderator/admin this message may appear to users without the permission to see that forum.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #31014 is a reply to message #30425] Fri, 24 March 2006 11:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, you explained me that (although the text "... to see this topic." could lead to the conclusion that there is a hidden forum), but what is about the "Last Message" column? This text appears there if you post in a hidden forum, but I don't think that this can have other reason.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #31025 is a reply to message #31014] Sun, 26 March 2006 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Look like I said before the forum is customizeable for a reason, if you want to change a text to something more appropriate to your forum, you can easily do so.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #31051 is a reply to message #30425] Tue, 28 March 2006 09:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, I know that I can change the text on my own. But this wouldn't be my prefered solution...

But can you tell me what do you have against my suggestions?

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #31075 is a reply to message #31051] Thu, 30 March 2006 14:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Because the current error message is clear and descriptive in regard to why information cannot be viewed.

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Re: You do not have appropriate permissions needed to see this topic. [message #31104 is a reply to message #30425] Sat, 01 April 2006 13:13 Go to previous message
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Well, I don't think that the message is clear. When I see "You don't have permission..." next to anonymous users I think there must be something wrong (Why does an anonymous user has more right than me?). And I think that this was the problem of remek (topic starter) too.

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