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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15437 is a reply to message #15435] |
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The layout change was implemented in 2.6, which is why you do not see it else where. Once 2.6 stable is released, you'll see more forums using the new format.
I disagree about the older layout looking better, but it's a matter of preference fortunately FUDforum capabilities allow you to customize the layout to your liking.
I do not know where you can download whole themes.
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15438 is a reply to message #15436] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 17:54 |
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| hello-world wrote on Tue, 16 December 2003 12:50 |
Taking into consideration the popularity of the user-info-on-the-left
theme, I think it would be nice to have it bundled in.
It would be nice to have a theme built into it at least.
Thanks.
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If everyone decides to jump of the top of a building does it mean I must follow?
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15441 is a reply to message #15440] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 18:35 |
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You are one hell of stubborn fellow heh?
Those people were right and all they had in mind was the good of the
forum.
ONe person even commented..
"THe design issues are eating into the popularity of the forum."
And he is f*cking right too..
But they failed to mention this:
A margin on the left makes a damn hell of a difference... By your
argument no book should ever have a margin on the left... right? You
are thinking too literally pal.... What matters is not the
mathematical equations about design layout (It matters too) But the
_total_ perception, the final impression that it engenders in the
human f*cking brain.
Finally, you need to have an artistic sense. I mean, if you just go
around trying to make maximum use of the space etc, you end up
inconveniencing the user. You are forgeting the nuances of human
nature. You are lacking the finer sense of perception here...
Let me just tell you that, the user-info-on-the-left acts a MARGIN,
and a Margin gives a very nice feeling on the text.
Fortunately, you never had a chance to design notebooks for the
kids. Poor kids would have been in trouble. They never would have been
able to write well, with your ideas of making maximum use of the space
and all.
But I guess there is no f*cking point arguing with you.
All I can tell you is that you are damaging a very beautiful product
here, in fact, the best the forum software I have seen. So don't screw
it up just because you are stubborn by nature...
Don't let anything stand on the way of doing the right thing...
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15446 is a reply to message #15444] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 19:09 |
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Could you please tell me how to get the standard layout.
I read it is in the file drawmsg.tmpl, but the damn file looks 128bit
encrypted to me. Might take a long long time to decipher the stuff.
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drawmsg.tmpl is little more then a series of HTML blocks to change the appearance all you need to do is to modify the 'message_entry' section.
If you can't be bothered to spend the time to customize your forum to your liking, you're at a height of arrogance thinking I would do it for you.
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And it will help you too to just have a standard solution for all
these past and future complaints.
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The standard solution already exist it is as simple as:
Get used to the new layout it'll grow on you or modify message display code or find a different forum software.
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15448 is a reply to message #15447] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 19:36 |
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>>> If you can't be bothered to spend the time to customize your forum
>>> to your liking, you're at a height of arrogance thinking I would
>>> do it for you.
Arrogance? you must mean ignorance...
I mean, I am newbie, you are the expert and having haggled with many
people over this piece of layout, I am sure you are extremely thorough
with this particular code by now.
1 minute work for you, whole days for me.
I have even tried, and paid my dues already.
SO you have misspelled ignorace as arrogance...
But no matter. If you are bent on being a ....., you are fully
entitled, by no less than the constitution itself, to be so.
>>> Get used to the new layout it'll grow on you or modify message >
>>>display code or find a different forum software.
This is why I say you f*cking don't get it.
I have NEVER USED a forum till now and I am f*cking NEVER going to
use one. I have always been with mailing lists (which is one reason
why I need this forum for my clients, so that I can stick with my
custom built mail client: emacs).
In f*cking fact, I don't even have a graphical browser. I use
linux,emacs-w3m.
But I respect the tastes of humanity...
Huamnity may be totally stupid and all, but their tastes are in the
right place.
Anyway, thanks for everything...
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15449 is a reply to message #15448] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 19:56 |
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I said arrogance and I meant arrogance. As far as I am concerned developer time (on any project) is infinitely more valuable then user time. So, even if it takes a user 10 times as long to figure out something it is still fine. Because not only will the developer be free to work on other things, but this one time investment of time on behalf of the user will educate them in the inner working of the project.
"Give a man a fish, feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish, feed him his entire life."
You seem to be under the false assumption I care whether or not YOU use the forum or not. Allow me to disillusion you, I don't give a flying bit.
The forum is designed to satisfy the requirements of a number of companies and individuals who sponsor it's development. As well as my own considerations on how the forum should work and look like. If others can benefit from this process great, if not they certainly have not lost anything.
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15450 is a reply to message #15448] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 20:01 |
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Life is not all about utility, Mr,Ilia.
It is the frivolity in life that gives it meaning. In fact, it is the
useless things that gives the most value to life.
You should learn to respect the quaint tastes of people, however
non-utilitarian it may appear.
But anyway, that is not the f*cking issue here...
So somebody who has already done the shifting of user-info, please
give me a hand here. I haven't slept for 3 days now, searching for a
proper forum software.
And I am absolutely new to this forum, html, web, php business, which
makes it altogether a nightmare for me.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Btw, if you can teach me how to do the customization, I can write a
tutorial for it. At least, I can write up an faq for all those wanting
the old style..
Thanks again in advance.
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15452 is a reply to message #15450] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 20:25 |
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Life is not all about utility, Mr,Ilia.
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Life's a bitch and then you die.
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It is the frivolity in life that gives it meaning. In fact, it is the
useless things that gives the most value to life.
You should learn to respect the quaint tastes of people, however
non-utilitarian it may appear.
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Why? I spend my free time designing a application to my satisfaction and standards. If someone wants to compromise this vision, fine, behold the wonders of open source. They need to either convince me (as hard as it may be) or hire myself or another programmer to do it for them.
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15456 is a reply to message #15451] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 20:36 |
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First of all, it is a very general problem faced by MANY, not just me.
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Even if it were true, so what?
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Your ideas have had absolutely no support from anybody other than
yourself and maybe bugs bunny and other imaginary characters that you
have around you.
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I could argue that you were wrong encouraging you to read the original thread, but if you wanted to face reality if you would've done so already.
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15459 is a reply to message #15458] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 21:00 |
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1) PDA's make a fraction of the total usage.
There are people using a 30'' TV screen for their monitor, too.
* You can at least provide the old style as an alternate theme. This
is what all sane people do.
Mind you, I am not saying you should do it, but just pointing out
what _sane_ people generally do. You are free to follow your
principles.
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| Re: Moving the user info to the left [message #15469 is a reply to message #15425] |
Tue, 16 December 2003 21:55 |
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Dude, relax? This is the best forum out there. If it's done here this way, then means it is the correct way.
If you are doing this for personal use then at least I can understand where you are coming from, with little development knowledge it might be hard.
However if you are trying to use this forum for a commercial purpose and demanding these modifications for free, then you need to realise it doesn't work this way  . You either do it yourself, get someone do it however possible (usually by paying them). The cheapest and fastest way for you to get this is to hire out the FUD developer to make these changes for you. If this doesn't satisfy you that too bad but you can not expect someone to work for you for free.
Anyway, at end whatever modifications you made you have to contribute back to FUD since your usage of FUD is guided by GPL.
If that doesn't satisfy you, you can contact the developer and license the code in any way you and the developer agree on. This will probably cost money.
This is the reason why the quality of this forum is BY FAR beyond other forums avalible. This forum is a full time **JOB** for the developer, not just a hobby.
cc intelligence.c -o intelligence
$ ./intelligence
Segmentation fault
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