| I would like mathml support [message #13345] |
Tue, 30 September 2003 14:30  |
math_adm
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Hi
I would like mathml support to be included. This would be so great. FudForum would be the only forum that supports this.
Of course, editing is a client problem (mozilla has an editor (preview) written in javascript). Displaying is a matter of standards: recent versions of mozilla will display it natively while IE has a plugin for this purpose (and, IIRC, M$ has signed something with the mathplayer company).
So what is really needed (I think) is a FudCode extension to specify that a MathML object is to be included. And those who have maple will even be able to use copy & paste !
What do you think about this idea ?
Regards,
FD
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| Re: I would like mathml support [message #13449 is a reply to message #13359] |
Tue, 14 October 2003 01:18  |
Ilia
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Sure, but while it maybe of use the Math community an average forum user has little to gain from this functionality. I do not know that most browsers support it.
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| Re: I would like mathml support [message #13498 is a reply to message #13449] |
Tue, 14 October 2003 14:53 |
math_adm
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Not only the math community, but all scientific community. Even physicians and others often need to write a formula as part of the message body. And they usually revert to using an ugly unprecise ascii description.
Usually, I tend to think that computer scientists only design systems for themselves, who don't need to write integrals all the time 
Now, fudforum would be the only forum to support it, putting it well ahead its competitors.
As to browsers, mozilla/netscape support mathml natively. There is a "standard" plugin for IE (mathplayer IIRC), and MathML can be converted to images on-the-fly (there are opensource systems for that) or flash. The main problem is really to have an mathml-enabled editor. All implementations of this I've ever seen was using a java applet. (Not quite in fact: there is a prototype for mozilla written in javascript).
If this is really too much work and you think it's not worth the trouble, then nevermind, it's great to have this forum system anyway  . But maybe others can try to help me convince you
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| Re: I would like mathml support [message #13502 is a reply to message #13498] |
Tue, 14 October 2003 15:03 |
Ilia
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Sounds like a lot of work, for a very specific use. I'd say it be simpler to save formulas images in the 1st place and insert/attach them to forum messages.
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| Re: I would like mathml support [message #22396 is a reply to message #13345] |
Tue, 01 February 2005 11:19 |
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I must agree with math_adm. As a student of computer science with advaced math courses I would find this feature very helpful. I believe you should reconsider adding this feature for the sake of scientific communities.
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| Re: I would like mathml support [message #22397 is a reply to message #13345] |
Tue, 01 February 2005 12:44 |
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Computer scientists have their own features for presenting code already implemented, this isn't fair ;) Let other sciences have their own features :)
One might want to check ASCIIMath Editor...
http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimatheditor/
It reads either latex syntax or simplified math expressions written in pure ascii and produces MathML.
What could be done is implement a new tag, say [Math] to denote formulas written in ASCIIMAth syntax. Then, at page presentation time, the forum could convert this into a MathML object via ASCIIMath.
Or maybe something more general : define a new tag [object=type (options)] to allow embedding of an arbitrary object. Then the types supported inside a particular forum would be declared by the administrator (MathML, flash, VML, some strange XML dialect to represent molecules for chemistry etc.) along with the script used to process them at page reading time.
That way there would not be support for MathML where it isn't needed (thus speeding things up) and the admin could allow objects on an per-type basis.
The next step would be to allow a plug-in system for graphical editors (equation editors in my mind), written in javascript.
What do you think ?
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| Re: I would like mathml support [message #22436 is a reply to message #22434] |
Thu, 03 February 2005 14:53 |
Ilia
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This seems like a very limited use functionality for me. if you want to submit a patch I'd certainly review it and consider it.
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