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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #169757 is a reply to message #169698] |
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On 9/23/2010 7:55 AM, Robert Hairgrove wrote:
> Michael wrote:
>> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>
> Eclipse has one:
>
> "PHP Development Tools (PDT) 1.0 Overview"
> http://live.eclipse.org/node/352
I use both Eclipse and Dreamweaver on different jobs.
Eclipse is nice because it integrates very well with CVS. It also has a
memory so that if you screw up badly, you can often retrieve an older
version.
Dreamweaver is nice because it has a visualization of the page as well
and also does the ftp directly.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170051 is a reply to message #169776] |
Thu, 07 October 2010 15:58 |
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On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>> On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>
>> tail -f apache-error-log
>> and you will see everything you need to know to debug your scripts.
>
> Not likely.
For a newbie, absolutely not.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170052 is a reply to message #170051] |
Thu, 07 October 2010 18:15 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/7/2010 11:58 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
> On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>> On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>>
>>> tail -f apache-error-log
>>> and you will see everything you need to know to debug your scripts.
>>
>> Not likely.
>
> For a newbie, absolutely not.
>
First, it assumes the op is running Apache. Many are not.
Second, it assumes PHP errors are being written to the Apache error log.
A sysadmin who knows his stuff will not mix application and server
errors in the same log.
Third, it assumes the user has access to the apache error log. This is
not true on the vast majority of hosts, for security reasons.
Fourth, it assumes the PHP error messages will tell the user everything
they need to know. This is not the case - as is evinced by a lot of
messages in this newsgroup asking what a particular error message means.
Only a newbie would make such a claim.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170053 is a reply to message #170052] |
Thu, 07 October 2010 18:35 |
Marious Barrier
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On 10/07/2010 02:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/7/2010 11:58 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>> On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> > Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> tail -f apache-error-log
>>>> and you will see everything you need to know to debug your scripts.
>>>
>>> Not likely.
>>
>> For a newbie, absolutely not.
>>
>
> First, it assumes the op is running Apache. Many are not.
>
> Second, it assumes PHP errors are being written to the Apache error log.
> A sysadmin who knows his stuff will not mix application and server
> errors in the same log.
>
> Third, it assumes the user has access to the apache error log. This is
> not true on the vast majority of hosts, for security reasons.
>
> Fourth, it assumes the PHP error messages will tell the user everything
> they need to know. This is not the case - as is evinced by a lot of
> messages in this newsgroup asking what a particular error message means.
>
> Only a newbie would make such a claim.
In which moment did we talk about a free host trolly? Sorry if my
comment hurt you.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170054 is a reply to message #170053] |
Thu, 07 October 2010 20:56 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/7/2010 2:35 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
> On 10/07/2010 02:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/7/2010 11:58 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>> On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> > On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> >> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>>> >
>>>> > tail -f apache-error-log
>>>> > and you will see everything you need to know to debug your scripts.
>>>>
>>>> Not likely.
>>>
>>> For a newbie, absolutely not.
>>>
>>
>> First, it assumes the op is running Apache. Many are not.
>>
>> Second, it assumes PHP errors are being written to the Apache error log.
>> A sysadmin who knows his stuff will not mix application and server
>> errors in the same log.
>>
>> Third, it assumes the user has access to the apache error log. This is
>> not true on the vast majority of hosts, for security reasons.
>>
>> Fourth, it assumes the PHP error messages will tell the user everything
>> they need to know. This is not the case - as is evinced by a lot of
>> messages in this newsgroup asking what a particular error message means.
>>
>> Only a newbie would make such a claim.
>
> In which moment did we talk about a free host trolly? Sorry if my
> comment hurt you.
No place. But it applies to virtually every shared host out there.
But then trolls don't understand that, do they?
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170055 is a reply to message #170054] |
Thu, 07 October 2010 21:15 |
Marious Barrier
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On 10/07/2010 04:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/7/2010 2:35 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>> On 10/07/2010 02:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 10/7/2010 11:58 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> >> On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> >>> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> tail -f apache-error-log
>>>> >> and you will see everything you need to know to debug your scripts.
>>>> >
>>>> > Not likely.
>>>>
>>>> For a newbie, absolutely not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> First, it assumes the op is running Apache. Many are not.
>>>
>>> Second, it assumes PHP errors are being written to the Apache error log.
>>> A sysadmin who knows his stuff will not mix application and server
>>> errors in the same log.
>>>
>>> Third, it assumes the user has access to the apache error log. This is
>>> not true on the vast majority of hosts, for security reasons.
>>>
>>> Fourth, it assumes the PHP error messages will tell the user everything
>>> they need to know. This is not the case - as is evinced by a lot of
>>> messages in this newsgroup asking what a particular error message means.
>>>
>>> Only a newbie would make such a claim.
>>
>> In which moment did we talk about a free host trolly? Sorry if my
>> comment hurt you.
>
> No place. But it applies to virtually every shared host out there.
That is a different matter, I assume almost all here are professionals
working in their own servers.
Or at least developing in their own box?
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170056 is a reply to message #170055] |
Thu, 07 October 2010 23:52 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/7/2010 5:15 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
> On 10/07/2010 04:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/7/2010 2:35 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>> On 10/07/2010 02:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/2010 11:58 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> > On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >> On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> >>> On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> >>>> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> tail -f apache-error-log
>>>> >>> and you will see everything you need to know to debug your scripts.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not likely.
>>>> >
>>>> > For a newbie, absolutely not.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> First, it assumes the op is running Apache. Many are not.
>>>>
>>>> Second, it assumes PHP errors are being written to the Apache error
>>>> log.
>>>> A sysadmin who knows his stuff will not mix application and server
>>>> errors in the same log.
>>>>
>>>> Third, it assumes the user has access to the apache error log. This is
>>>> not true on the vast majority of hosts, for security reasons.
>>>>
>>>> Fourth, it assumes the PHP error messages will tell the user everything
>>>> they need to know. This is not the case - as is evinced by a lot of
>>>> messages in this newsgroup asking what a particular error message
>>>> means.
>>>>
>>>> Only a newbie would make such a claim.
>>>
>>> In which moment did we talk about a free host trolly? Sorry if my
>>> comment hurt you.
>>
>> No place. But it applies to virtually every shared host out there.
>
> That is a different matter, I assume almost all here are professionals
> working in their own servers.
>
> Or at least developing in their own box?
Not necessarily on their own box, not necessarily on Apache and not
necessarily on Linux.
In fact, I would bet the vast majority of the group is NOT developing on
Linux, for instance.
But even if that is the case - if they are professionals, they will NOT
have their PHP errors mixed in with the web server error log.
But a real professional would understand that. A troll would not.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170057 is a reply to message #170056] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 07:49 |
Tim Streater
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In article <i8lmfm$bn7$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org>,
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
> On 10/7/2010 5:15 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>> On 10/07/2010 04:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 10/7/2010 2:35 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> On 10/07/2010 02:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > On 10/7/2010 11:58 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> >> On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>> On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> >>>>> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> tail -f apache-error-log
>>>> >>>> and you will see everything you need to know to debug your scripts.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Not likely.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For a newbie, absolutely not.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > First, it assumes the op is running Apache. Many are not.
>>>> >
>>>> > Second, it assumes PHP errors are being written to the Apache error
>>>> > log.
>>>> > A sysadmin who knows his stuff will not mix application and server
>>>> > errors in the same log.
>>>> >
>>>> > Third, it assumes the user has access to the apache error log. This is
>>>> > not true on the vast majority of hosts, for security reasons.
>>>> >
>>>> > Fourth, it assumes the PHP error messages will tell the user everything
>>>> > they need to know. This is not the case - as is evinced by a lot of
>>>> > messages in this newsgroup asking what a particular error message
>>>> > means.
>>>> >
>>>> > Only a newbie would make such a claim.
>>>>
>>>> In which moment did we talk about a free host trolly? Sorry if my
>>>> comment hurt you.
>>>
>>> No place. But it applies to virtually every shared host out there.
>>
>> That is a different matter, I assume almost all here are professionals
>> working in their own servers.
>>
>> Or at least developing in their own box?
>
> Not necessarily on their own box, not necessarily on Apache and not
> necessarily on Linux.
>
> In fact, I would bet the vast majority of the group is NOT developing on
> Linux, for instance.
>
> But even if that is the case - if they are professionals, they will NOT
> have their PHP errors mixed in with the web server error log.
>
> But a real professional would understand that. A troll would not.
Mmmm, where would the errors be reported then?
I'm using JavasScript-ajax-apache-php all within one machine. For me,
it's quite handy that PHP notices from the backend scripts go into the
server log, rather than getting mixed in with the ajax responses. This
is OS X 10.6.4.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170058 is a reply to message #170056] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 07:51 |
Geoff Berrow
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On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:52:21 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
> Not necessarily on their own box, not necessarily on Apache and not
> necessarily on Linux.
>
> In fact, I would bet the vast majority of the group is NOT developing on
> Linux, for instance.
>
> But even if that is the case - if they are professionals, they will NOT
> have their PHP errors mixed in with the web server error log.
>
> But a real professional would understand that. A troll would not.
A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
furthering his argument.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170059 is a reply to message #170057] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 11:01 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/8/2010 3:49 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <i8lmfm$bn7$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org>,
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/7/2010 5:15 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>> On 10/07/2010 04:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 10/7/2010 2:35 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> > On 10/07/2010 02:15 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >> On 10/7/2010 11:58 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> >>> On 09/26/2010 09:46 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> >>>> On 9/25/2010 5:06 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
>>>> >>>>> On 09/22/2010 06:09 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> >>>>>> Looking for the equivalent of MS Visual Studio for PHP. Thanks.
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> tail -f apache-error-log
>>>> >>>>> and you will see everything you need to know to debug your
>> scripts.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Not likely.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> For a newbie, absolutely not.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> First, it assumes the op is running Apache. Many are not.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Second, it assumes PHP errors are being written to the Apache error
>>>> >> log.
>>>> >> A sysadmin who knows his stuff will not mix application and server
>>>> >> errors in the same log.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Third, it assumes the user has access to the apache error log.
>> This is
>>>> >> not true on the vast majority of hosts, for security reasons.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Fourth, it assumes the PHP error messages will tell the user
>> everything
>>>> >> they need to know. This is not the case - as is evinced by a lot of
>>>> >> messages in this newsgroup asking what a particular error message
>>>> >> means.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Only a newbie would make such a claim.
>>>> >
>>>> > In which moment did we talk about a free host trolly? Sorry if my
>>>> > comment hurt you.
>>>>
>>>> No place. But it applies to virtually every shared host out there.
>>>
>>> That is a different matter, I assume almost all here are professionals
>>> working in their own servers.
>>>
>>> Or at least developing in their own box?
>>
>> Not necessarily on their own box, not necessarily on Apache and not
>> necessarily on Linux.
>>
>> In fact, I would bet the vast majority of the group is NOT developing
>> on Linux, for instance.
>>
>> But even if that is the case - if they are professionals, they will
>> NOT have their PHP errors mixed in with the web server error log.
>>
>> But a real professional would understand that. A troll would not.
>
> Mmmm, where would the errors be reported then?
>
> I'm using JavasScript-ajax-apache-php all within one machine. For me,
> it's quite handy that PHP notices from the backend scripts go into the
> server log, rather than getting mixed in with the ajax responses. This
> is OS X 10.6.4.
>
To the PHP error log - where ever the sysadmin specifies in the php.ini
file.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170060 is a reply to message #170058] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 11:01 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/8/2010 3:51 AM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:52:21 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>
>> Not necessarily on their own box, not necessarily on Apache and not
>> necessarily on Linux.
>>
>> In fact, I would bet the vast majority of the group is NOT developing on
>> Linux, for instance.
>>
>> But even if that is the case - if they are professionals, they will NOT
>> have their PHP errors mixed in with the web server error log.
>>
>> But a real professional would understand that. A troll would not.
>
> A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
> furthering his argument.
ROFLMAO! I real professional knows how to recognize trolls when he sees
one.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170061 is a reply to message #170060] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 15:20 |
Marious Barrier
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On 10/08/2010 07:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/8/2010 3:51 AM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:52:21 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>> <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not necessarily on their own box, not necessarily on Apache and not
>>> necessarily on Linux.
>>>
>>> In fact, I would bet the vast majority of the group is NOT developing on
>>> Linux, for instance.
>>>
>>> But even if that is the case - if they are professionals, they will NOT
>>> have their PHP errors mixed in with the web server error log.
>>>
>>> But a real professional would understand that. A troll would not.
>>
>> A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
>> furthering his argument.
>
> ROFLMAO! I real professional knows how to recognize trolls when he sees
> one.
I guess then that is why most of them have called you so since I am here.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170064 is a reply to message #170061] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 15:52 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/8/2010 11:20 AM, Marious Barrier wrote:
> On 10/08/2010 07:01 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/8/2010 3:51 AM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
>>> On Thu, 07 Oct 2010 19:52:21 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>>> <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not necessarily on their own box, not necessarily on Apache and not
>>>> necessarily on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I would bet the vast majority of the group is NOT
>>>> developing on
>>>> Linux, for instance.
>>>>
>>>> But even if that is the case - if they are professionals, they will NOT
>>>> have their PHP errors mixed in with the web server error log.
>>>>
>>>> But a real professional would understand that. A troll would not.
>>>
>>> A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
>>> furthering his argument.
>>
>> ROFLMAO! I real professional knows how to recognize trolls when he sees
>> one.
>
> I guess then that is why most of them have called you so since I am here.
Only the trolls do. Like you.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170067 is a reply to message #170059] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 16:20 |
Tim Streater
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In article <i8mtlm$8lf$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org>,
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
> On 10/8/2010 3:49 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
>>
>> Mmmm, where would the errors be reported then?
>>
>> I'm using JavasScript-ajax-apache-php all within one machine. For me,
>> it's quite handy that PHP notices from the backend scripts go into the
>> server log, rather than getting mixed in with the ajax responses. This
>> is OS X 10.6.4.
>
> To the PHP error log - where ever the sysadmin specifies in the php.ini
> file.
Unspecified, as far as I can tell.
The actual behaviour suits me fine: as part of the application, I'm
running an instance of apache under the user's username and group. It
starts when the user starts the app and terminates when the user quits
the app; it listens only to localhost. And if it manages to catch any
PHP errors into its logfile (part of the set of logfiles for the app),
then so much the better. That way I don't, as part of the app's
installation process, have to mess with any system files (which php.ini
is).
Running a private instance of apache also means I get to control its
config file, and I don't interfere with the instance of apache that OS X
will run if the user turns on web sharing.
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"That excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed,
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted" -- Bill of Rights 1689
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170068 is a reply to message #170060] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 16:52 |
Geoff Berrow
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On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:01:48 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>> A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
>> furthering his argument.
>
> ROFLMAO! I real professional knows how to recognize trolls when he sees
> one.
Real professionals don't respond to trolls.
Except they are not trolls. You just call everyone who disagrees with
you a troll. You really ought to look up what it means.
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It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170069 is a reply to message #170068] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 17:04 |
Marious Barrier
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On 10/08/2010 12:52 PM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:01:48 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>
>>> A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
>>> furthering his argument.
>>
>> ROFLMAO! I real professional knows how to recognize trolls when he sees
>> one.
>
>
> Real professionals don't respond to trolls.
>
> Except they are not trolls. You just call everyone who disagrees with
> you a troll. You really ought to look up what it means.
Don’t expect more from him... he is just a troll.
(lol)
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170071 is a reply to message #170067] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 17:51 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/8/2010 12:20 PM, Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <i8mtlm$8lf$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org>,
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/8/2010 3:49 AM, Tim Streater wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Mmmm, where would the errors be reported then?
>>>
>>> I'm using JavasScript-ajax-apache-php all within one machine. For me,
>>> it's quite handy that PHP notices from the backend scripts go into the
>>> server log, rather than getting mixed in with the ajax responses. This
>>> is OS X 10.6.4.
>>
>> To the PHP error log - where ever the sysadmin specifies in the
>> php.ini file.
>
> Unspecified, as far as I can tell.
>
> The actual behaviour suits me fine: as part of the application, I'm
> running an instance of apache under the user's username and group. It
> starts when the user starts the app and terminates when the user quits
> the app; it listens only to localhost. And if it manages to catch any
> PHP errors into its logfile (part of the set of logfiles for the app),
> then so much the better. That way I don't, as part of the app's
> installation process, have to mess with any system files (which php.ini
> is).
>
> Running a private instance of apache also means I get to control its
> config file, and I don't interfere with the instance of apache that OS X
> will run if the user turns on web sharing.
>
That can be fine for you. However, in a production environment, a good
sysop knows to separate the system errors from the application errors.
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Fri, 08 October 2010 17:51 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/8/2010 12:52 PM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:01:48 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
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>>> A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
>>> furthering his argument.
>>
>> ROFLMAO! I real professional knows how to recognize trolls when he sees
>> one.
>
>
> Real professionals don't respond to trolls.
>
> Except they are not trolls. You just call everyone who disagrees with
> you a troll. You really ought to look up what it means.
Geoff, you should look back through this thread and see who the real
troll is.
And yes, I know exactly what a troll is.
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| Re: Can anyone recommend a good debugger & IDE for PHP? [message #170073 is a reply to message #170069] |
Fri, 08 October 2010 17:53 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/8/2010 1:04 PM, Marious Barrier wrote:
> On 10/08/2010 12:52 PM, Geoff Berrow wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:01:48 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>> <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>
>>>> A real professional wouldn't resort to name calling as a method of
>>>> furthering his argument.
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO! I real professional knows how to recognize trolls when he sees
>>> one.
>>
>>
>> Real professionals don't respond to trolls.
>>
>> Except they are not trolls. You just call everyone who disagrees with
>> you a troll. You really ought to look up what it means.
>
> Don’t expect more from him... he is just a troll.
>
> (lol)
ROFLMAO! I contribute more help to this group in one week than you do
in a year. And one big difference - my help is ACCURATE. I don't tell
people to use commands which aren't available on their system and to
search files they don't have.
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