| PHP IDE [message #170300] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 02:07  |
Moiv
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Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
platform would be nice but not essential.
The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software but it
costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of money for
in my opinion.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Cheers
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170301 is a reply to message #170300] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 03:32  |
Magno
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On 10/27/2010 11:07 PM, Moiv wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
> platform would be nice but not essential.
> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software but it
> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of money for
> in my opinion.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
Many recommend Netbeans.
I prefer and only use VIM.
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170304 is a reply to message #170300] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 10:40 |
Derek Turner
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:07:56 +1000, Moiv wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse? I do development
> on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross platform would be
> nice but not essential. The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from
> WaterProof software but it costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be
> charging that sort of money for in my opinion.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers
Have a look at the Aptana Studio stand-alone editions. They're free so
you have nothing to lose except disk-space by trying them. Windows and
Linux, 32- and 64-bit versions available IIRC.
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170305 is a reply to message #170304] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 10:53 |
alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX
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El 28/10/2010 12:40, Derek Turner escribió/wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 12:07:56 +1000, Moiv wrote:
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>> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse? I do development
>> on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross platform would be
>> nice but not essential. The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from
>> WaterProof software but it costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be
>> charging that sort of money for in my opinion.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>
> Have a look at the Aptana Studio stand-alone editions. They're free so
> you have nothing to lose except disk-space by trying them. Windows and
> Linux, 32- and 64-bit versions available IIRC.
Just a little warning: Aptana is based on Eclipse.
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170306 is a reply to message #170300] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 11:12 |
alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX
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El 28/10/2010 4:07, Moiv escribió/wrote:
> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
> platform would be nice but not essential.
> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software but it
> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of money for
> in my opinion.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
Honestly, the issue is complicate. Good IDEs tend to be complicate, slow
and have extremely poor text editors. Simple editors tend to lack basic
features such as the ability to highlight embedded languages. And
complex editors tend the combine the main drawbacks of the other categories.
Some products that are worth trying include:
NetBeans IDE: it's a Java IDE, it's free, it's quite fast for its class
and offers lots of features. Its editor is rather poor.
JetBrains PhpStorm: another Java IDE. It's commercial software. It's
possibly faster and easier than Eclipse.
ActiveState Komodo: it's a multiplatform app written on top of Mozilla's
XUL platform. It's slow in slow computers, quite fast in fast computers.
The "Edit" edition is free but lacks most sexy features.
RapidPHP: it's a Windows app. It's very fast yet it offers many advanced
features. It's commercial but it's cheap.
Codelobster PHP Edition: it's a Windows app. It's commercial software:
you can use it for free but they charge for the plugins (there're
plugins for jQuery, Drupal, CodeIgniter...).
DEV-PHP2: it runs on Windows (not sure about other OSes) and it's open
source.
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170307 is a reply to message #170306] |
Thu, 28 October 2010 11:38 |
Derek Turner
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On Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:12:34 +0200, Álvaro G. Vicario wrote:
> Codelobster PHP Edition: it's a Windows app. It's commercial software:
> you can use it for free but they charge for the plugins (there're
> plugins for jQuery, Drupal, CodeIgniter...).
.... and will run under wine.
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170328 is a reply to message #170304] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 01:07 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Derek Turner wrote:
> Moiv wrote:
>> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse? I do development
>> on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross platform would be
>> nice but not essential. The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from
>> WaterProof software but it costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be
>> charging that sort of money for in my opinion.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Have a look at the Aptana Studio stand-alone editions.
Aptana, too, is Eclipse-based, so probably not what the OP is looking for.
Although I do not understand why they would deliberately eschew Eclipse, for
I think that PDT, even though it is not as powerful as Zend Studio (which
also is Eclipse-based), is great for PHP development (and so cannot offer
non-Eclipse alternatives).
PointedEars
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170329 is a reply to message #170300] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 02:06 |
Moiv
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"Moiv" <spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
> platform would be nice but not essential.
> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software but it
> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of money for
> in my opinion.
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Cheers
>
Thanks for your prompt replies.
I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP & Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on each to
make a decent comparison.
The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I have
avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has the
added bonus of running under Win & Linux though. I'll give codelobster a go
through wine and see how it goes.
Again, thanks to all for your input!
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170338 is a reply to message #170329] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 11:30 |
Erwin Moller
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On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
> "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
> news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>> platform would be nice but not essential.
>> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software but it
>> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of money for
>> in my opinion.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
> Thanks for your prompt replies.
> I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
> using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on each to
> make a decent comparison.
>
> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I have
> avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has the
> added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster a go
> through wine and see how it goes.
>
> Again, thanks to all for your input!
>
>
Hi, just a warning:
You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their complexity
that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
Regards,
Erwin Moller
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"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170339 is a reply to message #170329] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 11:49 |
Derek Turner
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:06:10 +1000, Moiv wrote:
> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
> have avoided aptana also.
Yes, it did rather slow down my old Athlon 3200+, it's big application.
Fair flies along on the new Core i5 750, though. My main reason for
choosing it was a very complete implementation of Zen-coding (Netbeans is
poor and limited in this respect).
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170340 is a reply to message #170338] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 13:04 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/29/2010 7:30 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
> On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
>> "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
>> news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>>> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>>> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>>> platform would be nice but not essential.
>>> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software
>>> but it
>>> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of
>>> money for
>>> in my opinion.
>>>
>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for your prompt replies.
>> I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
>> using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on
>> each to
>> make a decent comparison.
>>
>> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
>> have
>> avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has the
>> added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster
>> a go
>> through wine and see how it goes.
>>
>> Again, thanks to all for your input!
>>
>>
>
>
> Hi, just a warning:
> You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
> That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their complexity
> that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller
>
Define "bloody fast". A Java program is much slower than the equivalent
in a compiled language such as C/C++.
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170347 is a reply to message #170340] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 20:42 |
Erwin Moller
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On 10/29/2010 3:04 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 10/29/2010 7:30 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>> On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
>>> "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
>>> news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>>>> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>>>> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>>>> platform would be nice but not essential.
>>>> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software
>>>> but it
>>>> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of
>>>> money for
>>>> in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your prompt replies.
>>> I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
>>> using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on
>>> each to
>>> make a decent comparison.
>>>
>>> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
>>> have
>>> avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has the
>>> added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster
>>> a go
>>> through wine and see how it goes.
>>>
>>> Again, thanks to all for your input!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, just a warning:
>> You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
>> That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their complexity
>> that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erwin Moller
>>
>
> Define "bloody fast". A Java program is much slower than the equivalent
> in a compiled language such as C/C++.
>
Well Jerry, 'bloody fast' means something like 'faster that PHP' in here.
You know as well as I do that it all depends on what kind of test you run.
If you want to see some benchmarks, I like these:
http://kano.net/javabench/
Graphs:
http://kano.net/javabench/data
(a bit old)
Or maybe the article by Lewis & Neumann:
http://scribblethink.org/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html
(a bit old too and also about Fortran, which I barely know, maybe you do.)
Java isn't slow. Maybe a little slower (a few %) than good C(++) code.
That isn't important. Every few months the CPUs get faster, so who cares
about a few percentage?
But this is about a good IDE, and I mainly wanted to tell the OP that
Java (hotspot VM) is doing a good job (fast).
If the IDE is slow it is because it is busy doing complicated stuff, not
because the language it is programmed in (Java) is slow.
Of course, the IDE can also be slow because of poorly programming, but I
don't expect that in Eclipse and Netbeans.
Regards,
Erwin Moller
PS: Please never ask me to define "bloody fast" again. ;-)
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"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170348 is a reply to message #170347] |
Fri, 29 October 2010 20:47 |
Magno
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On 10/29/2010 05:42 PM, Erwin Moller wrote:
> On 10/29/2010 3:04 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/29/2010 7:30 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
>>>> "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
>>>> news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>>>> > Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>>>> > I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>>>> > platform would be nice but not essential.
>>>> > The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software
>>>> > but it
>>>> > costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of
>>>> > money for
>>>> > in my opinion.
>>>> >
>>>> > Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your prompt replies.
>>>> I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
>>>> using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on
>>>> each to
>>>> make a decent comparison.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
>>>> have
>>>> avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has
>>>> the
>>>> added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster
>>>> a go
>>>> through wine and see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Again, thanks to all for your input!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, just a warning:
>>> You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
>>> That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their complexity
>>> that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin Moller
>>>
>>
>> Define "bloody fast". A Java program is much slower than the equivalent
>> in a compiled language such as C/C++.
>>
>
> Well Jerry, 'bloody fast' means something like 'faster that PHP' in here.
That is pure Fanboyism from Java-boys.
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170354 is a reply to message #170329] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 11:52 |
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On 10/28/2010 10:06 PM, Moiv wrote:
> "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
> news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>> platform would be nice but not essential.
>> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software but it
>> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of money for
>> in my opinion.
>>
>> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
> Thanks for your prompt replies.
> I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
> using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on each to
> make a decent comparison.
>
> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I have
Eclipse slow? I have been using it for almost three years now and have
no idea what you mean. Also Eclipse has some VERY nice added features
such as excellent integration with CVS, recovery from local history
(even though that version ino longer appears to be on your file system
-- and this has saved me a couple of times), code comparison with other
versions in CVS, and probably more that I haven't even looked at.
I also use Dreamweaver.
> avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has the
> added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster a go
> through wine and see how it goes.
>
> Again, thanks to all for your input!
>
>
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170356 is a reply to message #170347] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 12:02 |
sheldonlg
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On 10/29/2010 4:42 PM, Erwin Moller wrote:
> On 10/29/2010 3:04 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 10/29/2010 7:30 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
>>>> "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
>>>> news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>>>> > Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>>>> > I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>>>> > platform would be nice but not essential.
>>>> > The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software
>>>> > but it
>>>> > costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of
>>>> > money for
>>>> > in my opinion.
>>>> >
>>>> > Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>> >
>>>> > Cheers
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your prompt replies.
>>>> I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
>>>> using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on
>>>> each to
>>>> make a decent comparison.
>>>>
>>>> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
>>>> have
>>>> avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has
>>>> the
>>>> added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster
>>>> a go
>>>> through wine and see how it goes.
>>>>
>>>> Again, thanks to all for your input!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, just a warning:
>>> You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
>>> That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their complexity
>>> that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Erwin Moller
>>>
>>
>> Define "bloody fast". A Java program is much slower than the equivalent
>> in a compiled language such as C/C++.
>>
>
> Well Jerry, 'bloody fast' means something like 'faster that PHP' in here.
>
> You know as well as I do that it all depends on what kind of test you run.
>
> If you want to see some benchmarks, I like these:
> http://kano.net/javabench/
> Graphs:
> http://kano.net/javabench/data
> (a bit old)
>
> Or maybe the article by Lewis & Neumann:
> http://scribblethink.org/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html
> (a bit old too and also about Fortran, which I barely know, maybe you do.)
>
> Java isn't slow. Maybe a little slower (a few %) than good C(++) code.
> That isn't important. Every few months the CPUs get faster, so who cares
> about a few percentage?
>
> But this is about a good IDE, and I mainly wanted to tell the OP that
> Java (hotspot VM) is doing a good job (fast).
> If the IDE is slow it is because it is busy doing complicated stuff, not
> because the language it is programmed in (Java) is slow.
> Of course, the IDE can also be slow because of poorly programming, but I
> don't expect that in Eclipse and Netbeans.
>
> Regards,
> Erwin Moller
>
> PS: Please never ask me to define "bloody fast" again. ;-)
>
I would like to know what the OP, or either of you, think of as slow in
an IDE? You type at the same speed. You think in between at the same
speed. They all load a file faster than you can sneeze. They all save
files just as fast. Eclipse downloads a whole CVS branch (a couple of
hundred files) from CVS for me in 5-20 over a VPN connection from within
a virtual PC on Windows 7. It uploads my (few) changed files almost
instantaneously.
So, where does this "slow" thing exhibit itself?
Frankly, if the OP is have "speed" issues, I would suggest he add more
memory to his machine or get a faster machine.
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Shelly
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170368 is a reply to message #170356] |
Sat, 30 October 2010 15:58 |
Magno
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On 10/30/2010 09:02 AM, sheldonlg wrote:
> On 10/29/2010 4:42 PM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>> On 10/29/2010 3:04 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2010 7:30 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
>>>> > "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
>>>> > news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>>>> >> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>>>> >> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>>>> >> platform would be nice but not essential.
>>>> >> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software
>>>> >> but it
>>>> >> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of
>>>> >> money for
>>>> >> in my opinion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your prompt replies.
>>>> > I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
>>>> > using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on
>>>> > each to
>>>> > make a decent comparison.
>>>> >
>>>> > The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
>>>> > have
>>>> > avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has
>>>> > the
>>>> > added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster
>>>> > a go
>>>> > through wine and see how it goes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, thanks to all for your input!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, just a warning:
>>>> You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
>>>> That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their
>>>> complexity
>>>> that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Erwin Moller
>>>>
>>>
>>> Define "bloody fast". A Java program is much slower than the equivalent
>>> in a compiled language such as C/C++.
>>>
>>
>> Well Jerry, 'bloody fast' means something like 'faster that PHP' in here.
>>
>> You know as well as I do that it all depends on what kind of test you
>> run.
>>
>> If you want to see some benchmarks, I like these:
>> http://kano.net/javabench/
>> Graphs:
>> http://kano.net/javabench/data
>> (a bit old)
>>
>> Or maybe the article by Lewis & Neumann:
>> http://scribblethink.org/Computer/javaCbenchmark.html
>> (a bit old too and also about Fortran, which I barely know, maybe you
>> do.)
>>
>> Java isn't slow. Maybe a little slower (a few %) than good C(++) code.
>> That isn't important. Every few months the CPUs get faster, so who cares
>> about a few percentage?
>>
>> But this is about a good IDE, and I mainly wanted to tell the OP that
>> Java (hotspot VM) is doing a good job (fast).
>> If the IDE is slow it is because it is busy doing complicated stuff, not
>> because the language it is programmed in (Java) is slow.
>> Of course, the IDE can also be slow because of poorly programming, but I
>> don't expect that in Eclipse and Netbeans.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Erwin Moller
>>
>> PS: Please never ask me to define "bloody fast" again. ;-)
>>
>
> I would like to know what the OP, or either of you, think of as slow in
> an IDE? You type at the same speed. You think in between at the same
> speed. They all load a file faster than you can sneeze. They all save
> files just as fast. Eclipse downloads a whole CVS branch (a couple of
> hundred files) from CVS for me in 5-20 over a VPN connection from within
> a virtual PC on Windows 7. It uploads my (few) changed files almost
> instantaneously.
>
> So, where does this "slow" thing exhibit itself?
>
> Frankly, if the OP is have "speed" issues, I would suggest he add more
> memory to his machine or get a faster machine.
>
Using Eclipse I had really hard times for almost 70% of my ram memory
being constantly used by a text editor for, for me, apparently _nothing_.
Why using that while I can code on VIM with syntax highlighting and all
consuming practically nothing of my ram?
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #170415 is a reply to message #170348] |
Mon, 01 November 2010 08:19 |
Erwin Moller
Messages: 228
Registered: September 2010
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On 10/29/2010 10:47 PM, Magno wrote:
> On 10/29/2010 05:42 PM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>> On 10/29/2010 3:04 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2010 7:30 AM, Erwin Moller wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2010 4:06 AM, Moiv wrote:
>>>> > "Moiv"<spam_me_not(at)the(dot)net> wrote in message
>>>> > news:1W4yo(dot)662$gM3(dot)18(at)viwinnwfe01(dot)internal(dot)bigpond(dot)com...
>>>> >> Can anyone recommend a good PHP IDE that isn't Eclipse?
>>>> >> I do development on WinXP and Ubuntu Linux so something that's cross
>>>> >> platform would be nice but not essential.
>>>> >> The best one I've found so far is PHPEdit from WaterProof software
>>>> >> but it
>>>> >> costs 100GBP and it's a little buggy to be charging that sort of
>>>> >> money for
>>>> >> in my opinion.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Any help would be much appreciated.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Cheers
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for your prompt replies.
>>>> > I have downloaded netbeans, RapidPHP& Codelobster. So far I've enjoyed
>>>> > using Codelobster the most although I'll need a couple of hours on
>>>> > each to
>>>> > make a decent comparison.
>>>> >
>>>> > The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow, I
>>>> > have
>>>> > avoided aptana also. Netbeans looks good but again it's java. It has
>>>> > the
>>>> > added bonus of running under Win& Linux though. I'll give codelobster
>>>> > a go
>>>> > through wine and see how it goes.
>>>> >
>>>> > Again, thanks to all for your input!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi, just a warning:
>>>> You seem to think that Java equals slow performance.
>>>> That is simply not true. It is the number of things and their
>>>> complexity
>>>> that can make an IDE slow. Java itself is bloody fast.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Erwin Moller
>>>>
>>>
>>> Define "bloody fast". A Java program is much slower than the equivalent
>>> in a compiled language such as C/C++.
>>>
>>
>> Well Jerry, 'bloody fast' means something like 'faster that PHP' in here.
>
> That is pure Fanboyism from Java-boys.
Cheap shot.
Try again.
Regards,
Erwin Moller
PS: I am not a fan of Java. If I am a fan of any programming language it
is first PHP, and Java second.
--
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult."
-- C.A.R. Hoare
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| Re: PHP IDE [message #174175 is a reply to message #170339] |
Tue, 24 May 2011 12:14 |
stas_at_codelobster_d
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responding to http://www.1-script.com/forums/PHP-IDE-article132514--7.htm
clod wrote:
Derek Turner wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:06:10 +1000, Moiv wrote:
>> The reason I was steering clear of eclipse is it seems rather slow,
>> I
>> have avoided aptana also.
> Yes, it did rather slow down my old Athlon 3200+, it's big application.
> Fair flies along on the new Core i5 750, though. My main reason for
> choosing it was a very complete implementation of Zen-coding (Netbeans
> is
> poor and limited in this respect).
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I use free portable PHP IDE Codelobster PHP Edition. It is my favourite
PHP IDE
that has many plug-ins for various CMS and frameworks including Drupal,
Joomlas,
JQuery and etc
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