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Re: Dynamic form generation [message #177723 is a reply to message #177685]

Tue, 17 April 2012 12:49

Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Denis McMahon wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:59:52 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>> If you used a proper framework ...
>
> ... then you'd have all the junk and baggage that comes along with that
> framework, including any security flaws in the framework.
>
> Not saying that frameworks are inherently bad, but they're not
> automatically the solution either.

TINSTAAFL. If you want complete flexibility of the application as the OP
wants, you have to have an abstraction layer in your application, i.e. it
has to be built on a framework (some people really should reflect on the
term "framework" and its etymology). Abstraction layers come at a price:
Increased overall complexity of the application and decreased efficiency for
tasks that do not require as much flexibility.

Whether that framework was written by you or someone else is another matter.
Chances are that a framework written by someone else has already gained
enough adoption in the global software community that its flaws – including
security flaws – are more quickly detected and fixed than in a framework
that you have written yourself. On the other hand, chances are that a
framework you have written yourself can be better adjusted *by you* to do
what you want than a framework written by someone else, especially if you
created it for the same project in which you are using it.

Inevitably all frameworks become bloated if functionality for flexibility
keeps being added to them. It would appear that there is a point where a
framework author should stop improving it and start something new for a new
project, maybe based on old code (but sometimes a rewrite is less expensive
and turns out to be better). IOW, it is a good idea if you built frameworks
with modularity in mind and use them only *as needed* (not simply for the
sake of using them, like trying to appear cool to the crowd).

PointedEars
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