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Re: Dynamic form generation [message #177724 is a reply to message #177723] Tue, 17 April 2012 15:36 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Jerry Stuckle is currently offline  Jerry Stuckle
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On 4/17/2012 8:49 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Denis McMahon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:59:52 +0100, Tony Marston wrote:
>>> If you used a proper framework ...
>>
>> ... then you'd have all the junk and baggage that comes along with that
>> framework, including any security flaws in the framework.
>>
>> Not saying that frameworks are inherently bad, but they're not
>> automatically the solution either.
>
> TINSTAAFL. If you want complete flexibility of the application as the OP
> wants, you have to have an abstraction layer in your application, i.e. it
> has to be built on a framework (some people really should reflect on the
> term "framework" and its etymology). Abstraction layers come at a price:
> Increased overall complexity of the application and decreased efficiency for
> tasks that do not require as much flexibility.
>

Yup, and when you use a framework you force the application to match the
framework, instead of allowing the application to meet the client's needs.

It may work - but then it may not, also.

> Whether that framework was written by you or someone else is another matter.
> Chances are that a framework written by someone else has already gained
> enough adoption in the global software community that its flaws – including
> security flaws – are more quickly detected and fixed than in a framework
> that you have written yourself. On the other hand, chances are that a
> framework you have written yourself can be better adjusted *by you* to do
> what you want than a framework written by someone else, especially if you
> created it for the same project in which you are using it.
>

So? Good programming practices and test cases will eliminate more
security flaws than many of the "frameworks" out there. Have you seen
some of the crap code which has been written "by committee"? Not all of
it, but a lot of the donations are from people who don't really
understand what they're doing - or at least don't write code like they
know what they're doing.

> Inevitably all frameworks become bloated if functionality for flexibility
> keeps being added to them. It would appear that there is a point where a
> framework author should stop improving it and start something new for a new
> project, maybe based on old code (but sometimes a rewrite is less expensive
> and turns out to be better). IOW, it is a good idea if you built frameworks
> with modularity in mind and use them only *as needed* (not simply for the
> sake of using them, like trying to appear cool to the crowd).
>
>
> PointedEars

If a framework attempts to be "all things to all people", then that's
quite true. But the same is true of *any* code.

However, a limited framework with limited goals doesn't necessarily have
to be the case.

For instance, in my case - I have a framework which builds PHP classes
to interface to a database. It generates a lot of usable code for those
classes, including form handling. However, since each class is pretty
much independent, I can easily change a class without affecting the rest
of the program.

I don't have it where it will work with multiple tables yet (something I
will do one of these days), but it takes a huge amount of the repetitive
work off of me.

And no, I don't try to use it for every project. But where a project is
database-intensive, it suits my purposes.

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