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Re: Only Allow exec in CLI [message #179209 is a reply to message #179205]

Tue, 25 September 2012 13:46

The Natural Philosoph
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Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <k3s5u9$9hl$1(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> wrote:
>
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>
>>> No checking of result codes required or error handling needed?
>
>> Yes. If they fail. they fail gracefully. and they leave errors in
>> their logfiles.
>
> Are they independent of each other then, such that they could be run in
> parallel? Or are there failure modes for program x that would mean you'd
> not want to run x+1 etc ??
>

The are quasi autonomous.

The data gathering parts stuff semi real time data in a database,. which
if it fails simply uses the previous value and copies it into 'latest'

i.e. it's of the form.

get last from database
If new data, overwrite it, else leave it
put it back in new database entry.

That was written first to get the data into the database way before
other code was written to summarise it and graph it

I kept it separate because I did not want to risk the data gathering
operation whilst I wrote the analysis and presentation stuff. Bugs in
that, that cause crashes, do not corrupt the data.

It was a context specific decision. The sort of thing Jerry simply
doesn't understand. Its not 'The Right Way' but in this case I felt it
was the optimal way.

Mutatis mutandis, the code could have been written in PHP or C. I chose
C because I am more familar with its way of handling errors. And it has
slightly better tools to deal with things like timeouts on sockets and
so on.

In short the two languages are pretty equivalent : PHP has better screen
output tools and HTML specific tools - the ability to spit out raw HTML
without 'printf' -ing it is the one reason I use it.

But I hate its sloppy typing. Its a hacker's language.

>> And because C has better tools, they can be deigned to fail gracefully.
>
> What tools are you referring to?
>>> In your case you have 4 lines of code and run 4 executables. In my
>> app I > have some 11,500 lines of PHP and still run just the 4
>> executables.
>>>
>> I rest my case :-)
>
> <smack> :-)
>

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		Only Allow exec in CLI By: cph on Sun, 23 September 2012 23:14
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: gordonb.1zi9u on Mon, 24 September 2012 01:06
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: cph on Mon, 24 September 2012 01:30
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 24 September 2012 02:26
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: M. Strobel on Mon, 24 September 2012 11:07
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 11:43
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Erwin Moller on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:08
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Michael Vilain on Mon, 24 September 2012 17:45
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Michael Fesser on Mon, 24 September 2012 21:57
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: M. Strobel on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:16
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:19
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:54
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Erwin Moller on Mon, 24 September 2012 14:04
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 14:14
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 15:09
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Mon, 24 September 2012 18:07
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 08:47
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 10:00
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 10:35
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 10:44
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:31
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:27
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:41
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:52
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:23
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:46
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 14:55
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 15:13
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 14:05
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 14:05
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:16
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 12:10
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:45
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 12:57
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:03
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:37
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 16:10
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 16:25
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:24
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:38
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:45
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 20:08
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Michael Fesser on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:12
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:39
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:35
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: megazzorro on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:22
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 08:39
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Martin Leese on Tue, 25 September 2012 15:10
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 15:17
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:20
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:32
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Ryan on Thu, 27 September 2012 17:23

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