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Re: Only Allow exec in CLI [message #179214 is a reply to message #179212]

Tue, 25 September 2012 15:13

The Natural Philosoph
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Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <k3sciu$oup$1(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net>,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> wrote:
>
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>> In article <k3s5u9$9hl$1(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net>,
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> wrote:
>>>> > Tim Streater wrote:
>>>> > > No checking of result codes required or error handling needed?
>>>> > Yes. If they fail. they fail gracefully. and they leave errors in
>>>> their logfiles.
>>>> Are they independent of each other then, such that they could be
>> run in > parallel? Or are there failure modes for program x that would
>> mean you'd > not want to run x+1 etc ??
>
>> Mutatis mutandis, the code could have been written in PHP or C. I
>> chose C because I am more familar with its way of handling errors. And
>> it has slightly better tools to deal with things like timeouts on
>> sockets and so on.
>>
>> In short the two languages are pretty equivalent : PHP has better
>> screen output tools and HTML specific tools - the ability to spit out
>> raw HTML without 'printf' -ing it is the one reason I use it.
>>
>> But I hate its sloppy typing. Its a hacker's language.
>
> OK. I think I know which website you're updating with this scheme :-)

:-)
> and I'd agree that your approach is the best possible in the circumstance.
>
> But I disagree about PHP's typing. I find the relaxed typing saves me a
> lot of trouble. Same in JavaScript, where the only place I've been
> caught out recently by types is as follows:
>
> i = 3; // i is a nice integer
> elmntPtr.dataset.i = i; // Now save this for later use
>
> ...
>
> i = elmntPtr.dataset.i; // Get my i value back
>
> switch (i) // Doesn't effing work, i is a string
>
> switch (parseInt(i)) // OTOH, this works
>
>
> So the only place I've been fooled is by the fact that the HTML5 dataset
> attribute is always a string, which I discovered by trial & error and
> reading the spec. Very irritating.
>
> Otherwise the loose typing rules make for a relaxing life.
>
You try writing a parser for a data packet which has headers many of
whose content TYPES depend on what the header was, in a loosely typed
language.

Javascript is even worse as I found one instance that simply isn't
catered for by any spec, and IE and Firefox did the opposite things with it.

That cost me more time than any loose typing might have saved..

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		Only Allow exec in CLI By: cph on Sun, 23 September 2012 23:14
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: gordonb.1zi9u on Mon, 24 September 2012 01:06
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: cph on Mon, 24 September 2012 01:30
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 24 September 2012 02:26
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: M. Strobel on Mon, 24 September 2012 11:07
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 11:43
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Erwin Moller on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:08
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Michael Vilain on Mon, 24 September 2012 17:45
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Michael Fesser on Mon, 24 September 2012 21:57
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: M. Strobel on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:16
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:19
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:54
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Erwin Moller on Mon, 24 September 2012 14:04
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 14:14
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 24 September 2012 15:09
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Mon, 24 September 2012 18:07
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 08:47
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 10:00
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 10:35
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 10:44
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:31
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:27
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:41
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:52
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:23
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:46
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Tim Streater on Tue, 25 September 2012 14:55
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 15:13
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 14:05
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 14:05
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:16
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 12:10
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 11:45
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 12:57
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:03
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:37
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 16:10
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 16:25
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:24
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:38
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:45
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 25 September 2012 20:08
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Michael Fesser on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:12
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Anders Wegge Keller on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:39
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 13:35
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: megazzorro on Mon, 24 September 2012 12:22
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 08:39
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Martin Leese on Tue, 25 September 2012 15:10
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 15:17
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: crankypuss on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:20
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 25 September 2012 18:32
		Re: Only Allow exec in CLI By: Ryan on Thu, 27 September 2012 17:23

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