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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179947 is a reply to message #179946] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 10:37   |
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Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
> On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>> Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>> any way
>>>
>>
>> RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>
>> /Str.
>>
>
> Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper English?
>
> ;)
no write sentence with in complete
/Str.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179948 is a reply to message #179947] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 10:40 |
M. Strobel
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Am 22.12.2012 11:37, schrieb M. Strobel:
> Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
>> On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>>> Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> any way
>>>>
>>>
>>> RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>>
>>> /Str.
>>>
>>
>> Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper English?
>>
>> ;)
>
> no write sentence with in complete
I can improve on that:
write with out varible
no with in complete
Happy Christmas.
/Str.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179949 is a reply to message #179948] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 12:29 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 22/12/12 10:40, M. Strobel wrote:
> Am 22.12.2012 11:37, schrieb M. Strobel:
>> Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
>>> On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>>> > Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> > With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> > any way
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>>>
>>>> /Str.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper English?
>>>
>>> ;)
>>
>> no write sentence with in complete
>
> I can improve on that:
>
> write with out varible
> no with in complete
>
> Happy Christmas.
>
Silk weave stocking is being connected to the rug terminal
(connect the braided sheath to the earth terminal)
> /Str.
>
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179950 is a reply to message #179944] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 13:15 |
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
> With out Url varible and session ....
> any way
Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use javascript to
manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve the value. Ask in a javascript
group or forum for more details. Won't work if the client routinely
disables javascript from untrusted servers.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179952 is a reply to message #179950] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 13:26 |
Scott Johnson
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On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>
>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>> With out Url varible and session ....
>> any way
>
> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use javascript to
> manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve the value. Ask in a javascript
> group or forum for more details. Won't work if the client routinely
> disables javascript from untrusted servers.
>
Or POST I suppose
Scotty
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179953 is a reply to message #179950] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 14:32 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/22/2012 8:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>
>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>> With out Url varible and session ....
>> any way
>
> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use javascript to
> manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve the value. Ask in a javascript
> group or forum for more details. Won't work if the client routinely
> disables javascript from untrusted servers.
>
You don't need javascript to use cookies. PHP does it quite well by itself.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179954 is a reply to message #179952] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 14:43 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
> On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>
>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>> any way
>>
>> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use javascript to
>> manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve the value. Ask in a javascript
>> group or forum for more details. Won't work if the client routinely
>> disables javascript from untrusted servers.
>>
>
> Or POST I suppose
>
well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS cookies, just in a
pretty dress.
> Scotty
--
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(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179956 is a reply to message #179949] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 17:21 |
Twayne
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In news:kb4939$tut$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
> On 22/12/12 10:40, M. Strobel wrote:
>> Am 22.12.2012 11:37, schrieb M. Strobel:
>>> Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
>>>> On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> > Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>>> >> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >> any way
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>>> >
>>>> > /Str.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper
>>>> English? ;)
>>>
>>> no write sentence with in complete
>>
>> I can improve on that:
>>
>> write with out varible
>> no with in complete
>>
>> Happy Christmas.
>>
> Silk weave stocking is being connected to the rug terminal
>
> (connect the braided sheath to the earth terminal)
>> /Str.
Don't you ever have anything to say?
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179957 is a reply to message #179954] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 17:23 |
Twayne
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In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> any way
>>>
>>> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>> javascript to manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve
>>> the value. Ask in a javascript group or forum for more
>>> details. Won't work if the client routinely disables
>>> javascript from untrusted servers.
>>
>> Or POST I suppose
>>
> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>
>
>> Scotty
Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client side machine. It's all
kept on the server if it's wrtten properly. They definitely are NOT cookies;
please have a look at the manual.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179959 is a reply to message #179953] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 18:09 |
Denis McMahon
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On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:32:16 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 12/22/2012 8:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>
>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>> any way
>>
>> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use javascript to
>> manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve the value. Ask in a
>> javascript group or forum for more details. Won't work if the client
>> routinely disables javascript from untrusted servers.
>>
>>
> You don't need javascript to use cookies. PHP does it quite well by
> itself.
Guess it depends where he wants the variable.
I was assuming he wanted the variable in a script on the client, and that
was why he was trying to pass it from page to page without using server
side code. I may have been over-thinking things. :)
i.e I'm reading his request as looking for a method of maintaining some
sort of state information on the client side when using e.g. free hosting
that doesn't allow for any sort of server side scripting.
Perhaps the OP could give us a little more detail about what he actually
wants to do.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179960 is a reply to message #179959] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 18:45 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/22/2012 1:09 PM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:32:16 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 12/22/2012 8:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>
>>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> any way
>>>
>>> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use javascript to
>>> manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve the value. Ask in a
>>> javascript group or forum for more details. Won't work if the client
>>> routinely disables javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>
>>>
>> You don't need javascript to use cookies. PHP does it quite well by
>> itself.
>
> Guess it depends where he wants the variable.
>
> I was assuming he wanted the variable in a script on the client, and that
> was why he was trying to pass it from page to page without using server
> side code. I may have been over-thinking things. :)
>
> i.e I'm reading his request as looking for a method of maintaining some
> sort of state information on the client side when using e.g. free hosting
> that doesn't allow for any sort of server side scripting.
>
> Perhaps the OP could give us a little more detail about what he actually
> wants to do.
>
Even if he uses javascript, he needs to pass the value back either in
the cookie, the URL or a POST value - any of which can be done without
javascript.
I agree we need more detail about what he's trying to do (and what he
has against using the $_SESSION array).
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179962 is a reply to message #179957] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 20:55 |
M. Strobel
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Am 22.12.2012 18:23, schrieb Twayne:
> In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> > With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> > any way
>>>>
>>>> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>>> javascript to manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve
>>>> the value. Ask in a javascript group or forum for more
>>>> details. Won't work if the client routinely disables
>>>> javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>
>>> Or POST I suppose
>>>
>> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
>> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>>
>>
>>> Scotty
>
> Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client side machine. It's all
> kept on the server if it's wrtten properly. They definitely are NOT cookies;
> please have a look at the manual.
>
And how, do you think, the server can identify the client?
/Str.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179963 is a reply to message #179956] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 22:55 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 22/12/12 17:21, Twayne wrote:
> In news:kb4939$tut$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>> On 22/12/12 10:40, M. Strobel wrote:
>>> Am 22.12.2012 11:37, schrieb M. Strobel:
>>>> Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
>>>> > On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> >> Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>>> >>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >>> any way
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>>> >>
>>>> >> /Str.
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper
>>>> > English? ;)
>>>>
>>>> no write sentence with in complete
>>>
>>> I can improve on that:
>>>
>>> write with out varible
>>> no with in complete
>>>
>>> Happy Christmas.
>>>
>> Silk weave stocking is being connected to the rug terminal
>>
>> (connect the braided sheath to the earth terminal)
>>> /Str.
>
> Don't you ever have anything to say?
>
>
Not that you are capable of understanding, no.
--
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(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179964 is a reply to message #179962] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 22:56 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 22/12/12 20:55, M. Strobel wrote:
> Am 22.12.2012 18:23, schrieb Twayne:
>> In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >> any way
>>>> >
>>>> > Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>>> > javascript to manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve
>>>> > the value. Ask in a javascript group or forum for more
>>>> > details. Won't work if the client routinely disables
>>>> > javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>>
>>>> Or POST I suppose
>>>>
>>> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
>>> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Scotty
>>
>> Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client side machine. It's all
>> kept on the server if it's wrtten properly. They definitely are NOT cookies;
>> please have a look at the manual.
>>
>
> And how, do you think, the server can identify the client?
>
Twayne doesn't know a lot. I think he's one of stuckles by blows...
he doesnt do thinking..
> /Str.
>
--
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(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179965 is a reply to message #179963] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 23:03 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/22/2012 5:55 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 22/12/12 17:21, Twayne wrote:
>> In news:kb4939$tut$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>> On 22/12/12 10:40, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 22.12.2012 11:37, schrieb M. Strobel:
>>>> > Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
>>>> >> On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> >>> Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>>> >>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >>>> any way
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> /Str.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper
>>>> >> English? ;)
>>>> >
>>>> > no write sentence with in complete
>>>>
>>>> I can improve on that:
>>>>
>>>> write with out varible
>>>> no with in complete
>>>>
>>>> Happy Christmas.
>>>>
>>> Silk weave stocking is being connected to the rug terminal
>>>
>>> (connect the braided sheath to the earth terminal)
>>>> /Str.
>>
>> Don't you ever have anything to say?
>>
>>
> Not that you are capable of understanding, no.
>
>
And nothing that any sane person can understand. No wonder you lost
your job as a ditch digger and can't find another one.
Of course, you try to hide behind a 'nym because you're afraid to let
the real world know the real name of someone as stoopid as you.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179966 is a reply to message #179957] |
Sat, 22 December 2012 23:43 |
Gregor Kofler
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Am 2012-12-22 18:23, Twayne meinte:
> In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> > With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> > any way
>>>>
>>>> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>>> javascript to manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve
>>>> the value. Ask in a javascript group or forum for more
>>>> details. Won't work if the client routinely disables
>>>> javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>
>>> Or POST I suppose
>>>
>> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
>> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>>
>>
>>> Scotty
>
> Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client side machine. It's all
> kept on the server if it's wrtten properly. They definitely are NOT cookies;
> please have a look at the manual.
They *frequently* do. Unless one doesn't want to transfer the session id
as URL parameter, it is stored in a session cookie which contains the
session id, which the server then can use to access the server-side
stored actual data.
Since you advise others to read the manual - have a look at:
http://php.net/manual/en/session.idpassing.php
" There are two methods to propagate a session id:
Cookies
URL parameter
"
Gregor
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179967 is a reply to message #179966] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 00:09 |
The Natural Philosoph
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On 22/12/12 23:43, Gregor Kofler wrote:
> Am 2012-12-22 18:23, Twayne meinte:
>> In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >> any way
>>>> >
>>>> > Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>>> > javascript to manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve
>>>> > the value. Ask in a javascript group or forum for more
>>>> > details. Won't work if the client routinely disables
>>>> > javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>>
>>>> Or POST I suppose
>>>>
>>> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
>>> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Scotty
>>
>> Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client side machine.
>> It's all
>> kept on the server if it's wrtten properly. They definitely are NOT
>> cookies;
>> please have a look at the manual.
>
> They *frequently* do. Unless one doesn't want to transfer the session id
> as URL parameter, it is stored in a session cookie which contains the
> session id, which the server then can use to access the server-side
> stored actual data.
>
> Since you advise others to read the manual - have a look at:
>
> http://php.net/manual/en/session.idpassing.php
>
> " There are two methods to propagate a session id:
>
> Cookies
> URL parameter
> "
>
> Gregor
>
>
well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser state
between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
sessions are just a noob wrapper.
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Ineptocracy
(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179968 is a reply to message #179965] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 07:56 |
Luuk
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On 23-12-2012 00:03, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> And nothing that any sane person can understand. No wonder you lost
> your job as a ditch digger and can't find another one.
>
> Of course, you try to hide behind a 'nym because you're afraid to let
> the real world know the real name of someone as stoopid as you.
>
And suddenly this thread was not a nice one anymore.....
And why?
Just because some one had to say somehting really unfriendly
Which is off-topic (even if the thread was off-topic)
We should have a moderator here, who educates people how to behave.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179969 is a reply to message #179968] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 14:25 |
houghi
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Luuk wrote:
> We should have a moderator here, who educates people how to behave.
What I like about Usenet is that _I_ can decide what to moderate with
killfiles. I do not have to discuss with a moderator that he should or
should not moderate something. I have my own standards and so will
everybody else.
Some people might be offended if I say 'fuck'. Some might be offended if
I say 'god'. People get offended for different reasons and luckily with
Usenet _you_ have the ability to do something about it by killfiling.
Depending on your software, you can killfile on sender, subject,
reference or anything else in the header. There are even ways to filter
on content with certain programs.
So in a way there already IS a moderator. That moderator is you. ;-)
houghi
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> Song : God Save The Queen
> Album : Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179970 is a reply to message #179968] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 16:21 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/23/2012 2:56 AM, Luuk wrote:
> On 23-12-2012 00:03, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> And nothing that any sane person can understand. No wonder you lost
>> your job as a ditch digger and can't find another one.
>>
>> Of course, you try to hide behind a 'nym because you're afraid to let
>> the real world know the real name of someone as stoopid as you.
>>
>
> And suddenly this thread was not a nice one anymore.....
> And why?
> Just because some one had to say somehting really unfriendly
>
> Which is off-topic (even if the thread was off-topic)
>
> We should have a moderator here, who educates people how to behave.
That's TNP for you. He doesn't know anything, so the only way he can
satisfy his ego is to try to make everyone else look dumber than he.
It doesn't work, but he's not smart enough to see that.
As for "nice" - the truth isn't always "nice".
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179971 is a reply to message #179964] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 17:02 |
M. Strobel
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Am 22.12.2012 23:56, schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> On 22/12/12 20:55, M. Strobel wrote:
>> Am 22.12.2012 18:23, schrieb Twayne:
>>> In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>>> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>> > On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> >> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >>> any way
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>>> >> javascript to manipulate the cookie to store / retrieve
>>>> >> the value. Ask in a javascript group or forum for more
>>>> >> details. Won't work if the client routinely disables
>>>> >> javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>> >
>>>> > Or POST I suppose
>>>> >
>>>> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
>>>> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Scotty
>>>
>>> Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client side machine. It's all
>>> kept on the server if it's wrtten properly. They definitely are NOT cookies;
>>> please have a look at the manual.
>>>
>>
>> And how, do you think, the server can identify the client?
>>
>
> Twayne doesn't know a lot. I think he's one of stuckles by blows...
> he doesnt do thinking..
>
I would like to hear his explanation. This is called education science.
/Str.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179972 is a reply to message #179963] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 17:27 |
Twayne
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In news:kb5do8$730$1(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
> On 22/12/12 17:21, Twayne wrote:
>> In news:kb4939$tut$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>> On 22/12/12 10:40, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 22.12.2012 11:37, schrieb M. Strobel:
>>>> > Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
>>>> >> On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> >>> Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>>> >>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >>>> any way
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> /Str.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper
>>>> >> English? ;)
>>>> >
>>>> > no write sentence with in complete
>>>>
>>>> I can improve on that:
>>>>
>>>> write with out varible
>>>> no with in complete
>>>>
>>>> Happy Christmas.
>>>>
>>> Silk weave stocking is being connected to the rug
>>> terminal (connect the braided sheath to the earth terminal)
>>>> /Str.
>>
>> Don't you ever have anything to say?
>>
>>
> Not that you are capable of understanding, no.
Or anyone else for that matter; none of your posts have anything to say
here.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179973 is a reply to message #179966] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 17:37 |
Twayne
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In news:kb5gi4$4fe$1(at)dont-email(dot)me,
Gregor Kofler <usenet(at)gregorkofler(dot)com> typed:
> Am 2012-12-22 18:23, Twayne meinte:
>> In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> > On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >> any way
>>>> >
>>>> > Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>>> > javascript to manipulate the cookie to store /
>>>> > retrieve the value. Ask in a javascript group or
>>>> > forum for more details. Won't work if the client
>>>> > routinely disables javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>>
>>>> Or POST I suppose
>>>>
>>> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
>>> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Scotty
>>
>> Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client
>> side machine. It's all kept on the server if it's wrtten
>> properly. They definitely are NOT cookies; please have a
>> look at the manual.
>
> They *frequently* do. Unless one doesn't want to transfer
> the session id as URL parameter, it is stored in a
> session cookie which contains the session id, which the
> server then can use to access the server-side stored
> actual data.
> Since you advise others to read the manual - have a look
> at:
> http://php.net/manual/en/session.idpassing.php
>
> " There are two methods to propagate a session id:
>
> Cookies
> URL parameter
> "
>
> Gregor
Hmm, that's interesting and I stand corrected; especially from that
respected source. I'll have to check that out more closely. Somehow I
though Sessions were kept from the client side, thus my prevous answer.
Thanks, and
HTH,
Twayne`
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179974 is a reply to message #179972] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 17:45 |
M. Strobel
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Am 23.12.2012 18:27, schrieb Twayne:
> In news:kb5do8$730$1(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>> On 22/12/12 17:21, Twayne wrote:
>>> In news:kb4939$tut$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>>> On 22/12/12 10:40, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> > Am 22.12.2012 11:37, schrieb M. Strobel:
>>>> >> Am 22.12.2012 11:05, schrieb Luuk:
>>>> >>> On 22-12-2012 10:24, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> >>>> Am 22.12.2012 10:18, schrieb Biju S:
>>>> >>>>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >>>>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >>>>> any way
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> RFC 1149, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> /Str.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Is this the RFC which tells how to write proper
>>>> >>> English? ;)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> no write sentence with in complete
>>>> >
>>>> > I can improve on that:
>>>> >
>>>> > write with out varible
>>>> > no with in complete
>>>> >
>>>> > Happy Christmas.
>>>> >
>>>> Silk weave stocking is being connected to the rug
>>>> terminal (connect the braided sheath to the earth terminal)
>>>> > /Str.
>>>
>>> Don't you ever have anything to say?
>>>
>>>
>> Not that you are capable of understanding, no.
>
>
> Or anyone else for that matter; none of your posts have anything to say
> here.
>
>
But you do? At least you learned a little writing.
/Str.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179975 is a reply to message #179973] |
Sun, 23 December 2012 18:36 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/23/2012 12:37 PM, Twayne wrote:
> In news:kb5gi4$4fe$1(at)dont-email(dot)me,
> Gregor Kofler <usenet(at)gregorkofler(dot)com> typed:
>> Am 2012-12-22 18:23, Twayne meinte:
>>> In news:kb4guc$dng$2(at)news(dot)albasani(dot)net,
>>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp(at)invalid(dot)invalid> typed:
>>>> On 22/12/12 13:26, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>>> > On 12/22/2012 5:15 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
>>>> >> On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:18:53 -0800, Biju S wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Pass varible to One page to other page ....
>>>> >>> With out Url varible and session ....
>>>> >>> any way
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Put it in a cookie that gets saved on the client. Use
>>>> >> javascript to manipulate the cookie to store /
>>>> >> retrieve the value. Ask in a javascript group or
>>>> >> forum for more details. Won't work if the client
>>>> >> routinely disables javascript from untrusted servers.
>>>> >
>>>> > Or POST I suppose
>>>> >
>>>> well, POST is all there is, since session stuff IS
>>>> cookies, just in a pretty dress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Scotty
>>>
>>> Not quite: Sessions do not put anything on the client
>>> side machine. It's all kept on the server if it's wrtten
>>> properly. They definitely are NOT cookies; please have a
>>> look at the manual.
>>
>> They *frequently* do. Unless one doesn't want to transfer
>> the session id as URL parameter, it is stored in a
>> session cookie which contains the session id, which the
>> server then can use to access the server-side stored
>> actual data.
>> Since you advise others to read the manual - have a look
>> at:
>> http://php.net/manual/en/session.idpassing.php
>>
>> " There are two methods to propagate a session id:
>>
>> Cookies
>> URL parameter
>> "
>>
>> Gregor
>
>
> Hmm, that's interesting and I stand corrected; especially from that
> respected source. I'll have to check that out more closely. Somehow I
> though Sessions were kept from the client side, thus my prevous answer.
>
> Thanks, and
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>
Session DATA is held on the server. But the session ID has to come from
the client.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179976 is a reply to message #179967] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 09:30 |
Andy
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> well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser state
> between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can also
use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the next
content page.
Andy
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179977 is a reply to message #179976] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 13:30 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/24/2012 4:30 AM, Andy wrote:
>> well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser
>> state between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
>
> In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
>
> You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can
> also use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the
> next content page.
>
> Andy
Which still comes back in the GET or POST values, as applicable.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179978 is a reply to message #179976] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 13:41 |
adrian
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Andy <andy(at)NOSPAMmanyplay(dot)com> wrote:
>> well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser state
>> between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
>
> In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
>
> You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can also
> use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the next
> content page.
As a complete beginner, I would be grateful if you could elaborate on
that.
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(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179979 is a reply to message #179978] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 14:23 |
Scott Johnson
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On 12/24/2012 5:41 AM, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
> Andy <andy(at)NOSPAMmanyplay(dot)com> wrote:
>
>>> well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser state
>>> between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
>>
>> In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
>>
>> You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can also
>> use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the next
>> content page.
>
> As a complete beginner, I would be grateful if you could elaborate on
> that.
>
>
As Jerry mentioned, you still have to use one of the 3 methods. POST,
GET, COOKIE.
If you use a frame, invisible or not, once you resend the header to load
another page, from the root page or frame (does not matter), you still
have to send variables as mentioned above.
Still wondering why the OP does has these restrictions or is just
curious if it can be done or if he has flown the coop.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179980 is a reply to message #179979] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 15:43 |
adrian
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Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:
> On 12/24/2012 5:41 AM, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
>> Andy <andy(at)NOSPAMmanyplay(dot)com> wrote:
>>
>>>> well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser state
>>>> between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
>>>
>>> In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
>>>
>>> You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can also
>>> use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the next
>>> content page.
>>
>> As a complete beginner, I would be grateful if you could elaborate on
>> that.
>>
>>
>
> As Jerry mentioned, you still have to use one of the 3 methods. POST,
> GET, COOKIE.
>
> If you use a frame, invisible or not, once you resend the header to load
> another page, from the root page or frame (does not matter), you still
> have to send variables as mentioned above.
Presumably there is nothing to stop you writing the variable to a file
and then reading it back on the next page?
The only problem, with a busy website, would be identifying whether the
same user is requesting that variable as the one who wrote it. Could
that be taken care of by storing an array in the file and associating
each variable with each user's IP number? As long as the IP number
didn't change during a session, this would select the wanted variable
for that user.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179981 is a reply to message #179980] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 16:07 |
M. Strobel
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Am 24.12.2012 16:43, schrieb Adrian Tuddenham:
> Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/24/2012 5:41 AM, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Andy <andy(at)NOSPAMmanyplay(dot)com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> > well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser state
>>>> > between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
>>>>
>>>> In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
>>>>
>>>> You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can also
>>>> use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the next
>>>> content page.
>>>
>>> As a complete beginner, I would be grateful if you could elaborate on
>>> that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> As Jerry mentioned, you still have to use one of the 3 methods. POST,
>> GET, COOKIE.
>>
>> If you use a frame, invisible or not, once you resend the header to load
>> another page, from the root page or frame (does not matter), you still
>> have to send variables as mentioned above.
>
> Presumably there is nothing to stop you writing the variable to a file
> and then reading it back on the next page?
>
> The only problem, with a busy website, would be identifying whether the
> same user is requesting that variable as the one who wrote it. Could
> that be taken care of by storing an array in the file and associating
> each variable with each user's IP number? As long as the IP number
> didn't change during a session, this would select the wanted variable
> for that user.
It all boils down to the problem to identify the client who entered the correct
credentials.
If you propose to use the IP, take a look at what a proxy server does, and what NAT does.
If you propose (sender IP:sender port), you would have a unique endpoint. But this is
lost as soon as the client opens a new TCP connection, what happens quite often.
/Str.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179982 is a reply to message #179977] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 16:40 |
Denis McMahon
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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:30:45 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 12/24/2012 4:30 AM, Andy wrote:
>>> well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser
>>> state between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
>>
>> In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
>>
>> You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can
>> also use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the
>> next content page.
> Which still comes back in the GET or POST values, as applicable.
I think Andy is suggesting a client side method that uses javascript to
store a variable in a higher level frame between page loads. This could
be used to pass data between the javascript code running in two pages on
a client without passing the data through the server.
It's a similar approach to using js to create a cookie on the client side
that can be read by js in another page on the client side, to pass data
between pages on the client side without relying on the server.
However, as we already agreed (I think), until we have more information
about what the OP actually wants to do, and specifically whether he's
trying to pass state information between pages on the client or on the
server, it's a bit pointless debating the ins and outs of the various
possible methods.
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179983 is a reply to message #179982] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 18:56 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/24/2012 11:40 AM, Denis McMahon wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:30:45 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 12/24/2012 4:30 AM, Andy wrote:
>>>> well exactly. There are only three ways to keep track of a browser
>>>> state between pages: cookie, GET or POST.
>>>
>>> In the words of Yoda "There is another"...
>>>
>>> You guys won't like it but I thought it worth mentioning that you can
>>> also use a hidden frame and store any variable to be passed back to the
>>> next content page.
>
>> Which still comes back in the GET or POST values, as applicable.
>
> I think Andy is suggesting a client side method that uses javascript to
> store a variable in a higher level frame between page loads. This could
> be used to pass data between the javascript code running in two pages on
> a client without passing the data through the server.
>
> It's a similar approach to using js to create a cookie on the client side
> that can be read by js in another page on the client side, to pass data
> between pages on the client side without relying on the server.
>
> However, as we already agreed (I think), until we have more information
> about what the OP actually wants to do, and specifically whether he's
> trying to pass state information between pages on the client or on the
> server, it's a bit pointless debating the ins and outs of the various
> possible methods.
>
But it's still passed back to the server via POST or GET. All he's
suggesting is a different way of storing it on the client (i.e. instead
of a hidden field in a form).
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| Re: Pass varible with out URL and SESSION [message #179984 is a reply to message #179980] |
Mon, 24 December 2012 21:36 |
J.O. Aho
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On 24/12/12 16:43, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
> Scott Johnson <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> wrote:
>> As Jerry mentioned, you still have to use one of the 3 methods. POST,
>> GET, COOKIE.
>>
>> If you use a frame, invisible or not, once you resend the header to load
>> another page, from the root page or frame (does not matter), you still
>> have to send variables as mentioned above.
>
> Presumably there is nothing to stop you writing the variable to a file
> and then reading it back on the next page?
If you want to store the data, you need to send it to the server with
help of GET/POST/PUT, Andy was suggesting that he could store values
without sending the data to the server, this could be done in a way with
javascript, but the server wouldn't be able to act on the data and you
need to make it somewhat crafty design which is easily broken by the user.
> The only problem, with a busy website, would be identifying whether the
> same user is requesting that variable as the one who wrote it.
This is why you use sessions, the session cookie can of course be
hijacked, but it will keep track of who is associated with what data.
> Could
> that be taken care of by storing an array in the file and associating
> each variable with each user's IP number? As long as the IP number
> didn't change during a session, this would select the wanted variable
> for that user.
You could do that, but you would get issues when you have more than one
user from the same ip or a user who change ip during the visit at the
site. I would say the solution is a big step backwards compared to sessions.
--
//Aho
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