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Wed, 06 February 2013 11:32

crankypuss
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On 02/05/2013 03:27 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
> On 2013-02-05, J G Miller <miller(at)yoyo(dot)ORG> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 5th, 2013, at 12:07:47h -0700, Cranky Puss explained:
>>
>>> Currently it only supports grub-2 to a limited extent, it doesn't yet
>>> allow specification of most of the available parameters, but it does
>>> generate a working config which is more than I can say for grub-customizer
>>> when I uninstalled it.
>>
>> Okay I follow, but does it successfully auto probe for all the different
>> OSes which may be present on all of the different file systems?
>>
>>> but it does leave /etc/grub.d/ in whatever shambles it was in before
>>> it was used.
>>
>> grub.d is certainly an abomination and each distribution makes it worse,
>> notably the chain debian -> ubuntu -> mint
>>
>> Want to add another item, then the config script has to tail itself
>> on to the configuration, eg my just added plop_40
>>
>> #!/bin/sh
>>
>> exec tail -n +4 $0
>>
>> menuentry "Plop Boot Manager" {
>> set root=(hd0,6)
>> linux16 /plop-boot-image
>> }
>>
>
> I think the idea is to make packaging stuff easier.
> by making the fragments executable they allow maximum compile-time
> capability without much work.

Avoiding work can be done in a number of ways, such as putting the work
in library or utility package so it can be reused---you do more work now
and avoid lots later. Avoiding it by putting it in batch files for
other people to deal with seems kind of self-defeating... by doing that
you've invented an unparsable form for storing critical information. In
the case of grub2 people are basically stuck with editing it by hand
forever.

> if you're happy to write a customised configuation file after
> installing the software then grub.d isn't for you, if on the other
> hand you just want it to work it's a neat invention.

I have never found it to "just work" since about the first time I
installed Ubuntu. Kernel updates and post-processing to update grub
seems prone to breaking those critical links in root.

What I did find was that I could get it to work by carefully
hand-editing the obscured information in the /etc/grub.d/ scripts, but I
got tired of cutting and pasting uuid's every time the thing decided to
probe reality and rewrite proxified scripts, and took a different approach.

Not everybody wants the same thing.

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		anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sat, 02 February 2013 20:27
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: DanS on Sat, 02 February 2013 20:57
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 10:45
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: DanS on Sun, 03 February 2013 12:00
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Sat, 02 February 2013 21:27
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 10:49
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 03 February 2013 11:00
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Sun, 03 February 2013 15:17
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 18:40
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Sun, 03 February 2013 19:00
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Richard Yates on Sun, 03 February 2013 21:56
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Martin on Mon, 04 February 2013 00:53
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 04 February 2013 02:40
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Tim Streater on Mon, 04 February 2013 09:14
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Mon, 04 February 2013 09:32
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:06
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:15
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:24
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:35
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Tue, 05 February 2013 09:22
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 05 February 2013 12:16
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Tue, 05 February 2013 18:49
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 05 February 2013 21:22
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J G Miller on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:38
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: M. Strobel on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:41
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:58
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Tue, 05 February 2013 09:21
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 05 February 2013 12:15
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Tue, 05 February 2013 18:52
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 05 February 2013 21:23
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jasen Betts on Tue, 05 February 2013 06:00
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 05 February 2013 12:49
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Arno Welzel on Mon, 04 February 2013 07:40
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Mon, 04 February 2013 09:49
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Robert Heller on Sat, 02 February 2013 21:43
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 10:57
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Keith D. Lee on Sat, 02 February 2013 22:20
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 11:13
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jasen Betts on Mon, 04 February 2013 12:23
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Mon, 04 February 2013 15:57
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 05 February 2013 13:04
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: M. Strobel on Sun, 03 February 2013 09:58
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 11:20
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J.O. Aho on Sun, 03 February 2013 11:44
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 03 February 2013 11:50
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J.O. Aho on Sun, 03 February 2013 12:47
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 03 February 2013 13:23
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jasen Betts on Mon, 04 February 2013 11:32
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 18:43
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J G Miller on Sun, 03 February 2013 13:08
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: M. Strobel on Sun, 03 February 2013 13:49
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Richard Kettlewell on Sun, 03 February 2013 15:28
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: John Hasler on Sun, 03 February 2013 15:39
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: M. Strobel on Sun, 03 February 2013 16:50
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: John Hasler on Sun, 03 February 2013 17:24
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J G Miller on Sun, 03 February 2013 19:25
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Richard Kettlewell on Sun, 03 February 2013 20:25
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J G Miller on Sun, 03 February 2013 21:47
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: John Hasler on Sun, 03 February 2013 22:32
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 03 February 2013 22:59
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J G Miller on Mon, 04 February 2013 00:21
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jasen Betts on Mon, 04 February 2013 11:46
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Richard Kettlewell on Sun, 03 February 2013 23:13
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:28
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: John Hasler on Sun, 03 February 2013 20:26
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jasen Betts on Mon, 04 February 2013 11:37
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Tim Streater on Sun, 03 February 2013 13:17
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: M. Strobel on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:34
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J G Miller on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:44
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: J G Miller on Wed, 06 February 2013 00:06
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Wed, 06 February 2013 11:32
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