| UML [message #181674] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 22:49  |
Scott Johnson
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Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
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| Re: UML [message #181679 is a reply to message #181674] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 23:17  |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
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Yup
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
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| Re: UML [message #181681 is a reply to message #181679] |
Fri, 24 May 2013 23:40 |
Christoph Becker
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
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> Yup
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>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
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> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
(skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
OO-related newsgroup.
I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
of UML).
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| Re: UML [message #181683 is a reply to message #181679] |
Sat, 25 May 2013 00:04 |
Scott Johnson
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On 5/24/2013 4:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
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> Yup
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>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
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> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>
Thanks, will pursue.
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| Re: UML [message #181684 is a reply to message #181681] |
Sat, 25 May 2013 00:05 |
Scott Johnson
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On 5/24/2013 4:40 PM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
>> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>
> If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
> but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
> (skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
> diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
> OO-related newsgroup.
>
> I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
> there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
> years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
> of UML).
>
Thanks CB.
Actually I just need something to whiteboard on while I am building. I
get lost in the weeds sometimes.
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| Re: UML [message #181686 is a reply to message #181681] |
Sat, 25 May 2013 00:21 |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 5/24/2013 7:40 PM, Christoph Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 5/24/2013 6:49 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>
>> Yup
>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>>> paper?
>>
>> Lots of them, from free to expensive. I'd suggest you try an OO-related
>> newsgroup. You'll get better answers than in a PHP newsgroup.
>
> If Scott is asking not only for a tool to *draw* UML class diagramms,
> but for a tool which might be able to generate (an) actual PHP code
> (skeleton) from, or even reverse engineer existing PHP to UML class
> diagramms, the question *might* better be asked here than in a generally
> OO-related newsgroup.
>
Yes, but that's not what he asked for.
> I have only superficial experience with such tools, but I am aware that
> there has been quite mature support for *some* languages since many
> years (at least Java, C++ and Eiffel--the latter regarding BON instead
> of UML).
>
I've been working with them for well over 15 years (probably closer to
20) with various languages, including SmallTalk, C++ and Java. But each
tool has it's advantages and disadvantages - which is why I recommended
he look in a newsgroup where OO experts hang out.
comp.lang.php is NOT such a newsgroup. Most people here barely know how
to spell OO.
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| Re: UML [message #181693 is a reply to message #181674] |
Sat, 25 May 2013 07:33 |
Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Scott Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
Yes.
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
> paper?
Yes.
PointedEars
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| Re: UML [message #181695 is a reply to message #181693] |
Sat, 25 May 2013 10:42 |
Scott Johnson
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On 5/25/2013 12:33 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Scott Johnson wrote:
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>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
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> Yes.
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>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
>> paper?
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> Yes.
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> PointedEars
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I overestimated the ability of someone to take a simple question parse
it and bring in a useful answer. My apologies.
Scotty
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| Re: UML [message #181716 is a reply to message #181674] |
Mon, 27 May 2013 14:07 |
Goran
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On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
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> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.
If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
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| Re: UML [message #181737 is a reply to message #181716] |
Tue, 28 May 2013 21:42 |
Scott Johnson
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On 5/27/2013 7:07 AM, Goran wrote:
> On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
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>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
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> Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.
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> If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
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Thanks Goran appreciate the info.
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| Re: UML [message #181740 is a reply to message #181674] |
Tue, 28 May 2013 22:37 |
Leonardo Azpurua
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"Scott Johnson" <noonehome(at)chalupasworld(dot)com> escribió en el mensaje
news:knoqij$s9g$1(at)dont-email(dot)me...
> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>
> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and
> paper?
Years ago I used a crippled free version of Rational Rose and it was quite
nice, but it has not been available for years.
Now I scribble my designs with Star UML. It has its quirks, but it should be
enough to produce inteligible small diagrams.
Also on the "free" price range, I tried Argo UML; it may be pefect for large
projects (so they say) but it sucks at scribbling.
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| Re: UML [message #181761 is a reply to message #181737] |
Thu, 30 May 2013 10:26 |
M. Strobel
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Am 28.05.2013 23:42, schrieb Scott Johnson:
> On 5/27/2013 7:07 AM, Goran wrote:
>> On 25.5.2013 0:49, Scott Johnson wrote:
>>> Has anyone used UML class diagrams to present an OOP project?
>>>
>>> If so is there a program that helps this diagramming besides pen and paper?
>>
>> Try Enterprise Architect, it's really powerfull although not free.
>>
>> If you prefer light solution, NClass is interesting too.
>>
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> Thanks Goran appreciate the info.
I used ArgoUML http://argouml.tigris.org/
/Str.
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| Re: UML [message #181770 is a reply to message #181684] |
Sat, 01 June 2013 00:47 |
Sanders Kaufman
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"Scott Johnson" wrote in message news:knov0f$eum$2(at)dont-email(dot)me...
> Actually I just need something to whiteboard on while I am building. I get
> lost in the weeds sometimes.
I spent a lot of money trying out different tools and technologies to
accomplish that - including UML.
They're great for a team environment - if the team embraces them.
But for individual work, I had to just come up with my own processes.
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