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Re: part 2 - file exists not working [message #182963 is a reply to message #182954]

Sat, 28 September 2013 17:58

bill
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On 2013-09-26 6:47 PM, Richard Yates wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Sep 2013 17:39:34 -0400, Twayne <nobody(at)spamcop(dot)net> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-09-24 9:54 PM, Scott Johnson wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> There is a solid reason that the manual says you should NOT be using it
>>> since it will not exist in the future.
>>
>> "Should" being the operative word here. Yes, it should be done but at
>> one's leisure so far, not in anticipation of anything disappearing
>> TOMORROW as the egomaniacs are intimating. It's a logical, meaningful
>> progression of technology; what gets my goats are the egoes running
>> around intimating the end of the world if you don't make the change
>> yesterday; they aren't just trying to educate ... far from it.
>
> Chill, Twayne. No one has come anywhere near the caricature you
> describe. They have simply quoted the php manual. And to think that
> anyone would recommend converting out of ego just does not make any
> sense at all. No one here has any investment in your web pages or any
> financial interest in php. How in the world do you see ego involved?
>
The "ego" I see is that of the person who thinks the world should follow
them blindly. They are more interested in being "seen" as touting the
line they've used and simpy turning a blind eye to reason; because
"they" said it, vague and devoid of detail as the mantras they espouse,
and no one should bring reason or timing or cost or the reality of such
updating. It's enough they made one vague statement, according to them.
What started out as a decent discussion of some of the issues
quickly degenerated to single-sentence warnings and sigs about MYSQL and
it extensions by a predictable few here.

Such is clearly not the case and these "chosen few" are doing themselves
and anyone a great disservice by intimating it must be done not only
now, but quickly. That comes very close to a disservice to anyone
reading their tripe who suddenly stops development of their site and
might let everythng go and rather than their site progressing they
simply wast time better spent on waiting for an opportunity to get
serious about the changes so "direly needed" when it just isn't so.
It gets worse too when you come across things like one's server
magically changing their PHP version when one is signed up to use a
different version available on their server sites. Those people either
need to go to better server sites or, more likely, face the truth about
the whole scenario.
My own would never do that to me: what they might do is notify me
a new version is imminent so I can think about what I want to do, and
what they DO do would be to notify me not only of the update, which I'd
love to havem but also of what older versions are still going to be
available. Even back in the "old" days when I was starting out with a
freebie Tripod site, they did that sort of thing.
If a server admins doesn't communicate with their clients, then
there will at least be a page available that keeps their customers up to
date on what's happening on their servers; sort of a what's new page.
And if their support is worth anything, they'll briefly but
factually discuss anything about the servers that you'd like to know and
at least mine tells me if they don't know the answer.
A server that only offers one version of PHP say, and changes it
without notice or schedule, well, should be left for a better server.

Lest this turn into a troll-fest I'm probably not going to say a lot
more about the subject unless it's a reasonably worded post, such as
yours was.

Aside: It's been years now but I always recall the post that seemed to
make se nse to me, but not entirely. When I asked this mvp for his
impression of why we should do what he was pushing, his response was
"Because I said so and I know more than you." It always makes me laugh,
albeit softly.

Regards,

Twayne`

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		part 2 - file exists not working By: richard on Mon, 23 September 2013 14:04
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Tim Streater on Mon, 23 September 2013 14:17
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: richard on Mon, 23 September 2013 14:35
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Paul Herber on Mon, 23 September 2013 14:33
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: David Robley on Tue, 24 September 2013 00:46
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Lew Pitcher on Tue, 24 September 2013 02:07
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: richard on Tue, 24 September 2013 05:57
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: David Robley on Tue, 24 September 2013 07:49
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: richard on Tue, 24 September 2013 08:10
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: richard on Tue, 24 September 2013 08:32
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Doug Miller on Tue, 24 September 2013 23:23
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: David Robley on Wed, 25 September 2013 00:18
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Lew Pitcher on Tue, 24 September 2013 13:45
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Tue, 24 September 2013 14:34
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Lew Pitcher on Tue, 24 September 2013 14:41
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: richard on Tue, 24 September 2013 16:17
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Tue, 24 September 2013 16:29
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Tue, 24 September 2013 22:51
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Denis McMahon on Tue, 24 September 2013 19:10
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Tue, 24 September 2013 23:08
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Wed, 25 September 2013 01:39
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Peter H. Coffin on Wed, 25 September 2013 03:17
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Thu, 26 September 2013 21:20
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Thu, 26 September 2013 22:43
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 26 September 2013 23:43
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Scott Johnson on Wed, 25 September 2013 01:54
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Thu, 26 September 2013 21:39
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Thu, 26 September 2013 22:47
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Sat, 28 September 2013 17:58
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Sat, 28 September 2013 18:45
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Tim Streater on Wed, 25 September 2013 08:01
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Tue, 24 September 2013 16:54
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Tim Streater on Tue, 24 September 2013 17:30
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Scott Johnson on Tue, 24 September 2013 22:40
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Tue, 24 September 2013 23:14
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Wed, 25 September 2013 01:43
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Thu, 26 September 2013 21:42
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Tue, 24 September 2013 22:50
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Scott Johnson on Wed, 25 September 2013 01:56
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Curtis Dyer on Thu, 26 September 2013 06:01
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Thu, 26 September 2013 22:04
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Curtis Dyer on Fri, 27 September 2013 01:47
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 27 September 2013 02:56
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Fri, 27 September 2013 03:11
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 27 September 2013 03:41
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Curtis Dyer on Fri, 27 September 2013 06:04
		OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: bill on Sat, 28 September 2013 18:33
		Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Fiver on Sat, 28 September 2013 21:12
		Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 29 September 2013 05:50
		Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Peter H. Coffin on Sun, 29 September 2013 15:39
		Re: OT Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 29 September 2013 18:49
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Doug Miller on Tue, 24 September 2013 23:20
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Wed, 25 September 2013 01:46
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: richard on Wed, 25 September 2013 02:27
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 25 September 2013 05:21
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: David Robley on Wed, 25 September 2013 05:50
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Doug Miller on Thu, 26 September 2013 20:30
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Denis McMahon on Wed, 25 September 2013 07:42
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 25 September 2013 08:07
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: Richard Yates on Wed, 25 September 2013 13:29
		Re: part 2 - file exists not working By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 25 September 2013 14:09

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