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Re: server-side vs.client-side [message #183533 is a reply to message #183532]

Wed, 30 October 2013 02:31

Jerry Stuckle
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On 10/29/2013 10:18 PM, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
>> On 10/29/2013 4:45 PM, Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, 2013-10-28 03:22:
>>>>
>>>> > Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> […] The one thing that is fairly certain is that the
>>>> >> player will almost certainly NOT be written in PHP,
>>>> >
>>>> > That much is true.
>>>> >
>>>> >> as PHP is normally a server side language, and few clients will
>>>> >> understand
>>>> >> it.
>>>> >
>>>> > A common misconception. *No* programming language is “normally” either
>>>> > “server-side” or “client-side”.
>>>>
>>>> Historically PHP had *always* been targeted to be used on a server to
>>>> generate output for one or more clients delivered via HTTP. That's the
>>>> reason why there are modules for Apache, why PHP supports CGI and why
>>>> literally every book about PHP teaches how to create websites using PHP
>>>> and not how to build desktop applications using PHP.
>>>>
>>>> Just because it is technically possible to set up a PHP runtime
>>>> environment literally anywhere and <http://gtk.php.net/> exists it does
>>>> not make PHP a language which is also be used on "client side". BTW -
>>>> the last update of <http://gtk.php.net/> dates back to August 2010...
>>>>
>>>> The opposite is true for ECMAScript which is fact used "server side" and
>>>> "client side" as well also in real applications.
>>>>
>>>> But for sure you can name some popular PHP based desktop applications
>>>> that prove it wrong, that PHP is *usually* only used "server side" - can
>>>> you?
>>>
>>> It seems you're not taken into account command line applications, for
>>> which PHP is well suited.[1] These often run outside of any
>>> client-server context, such as phing and phpunit (which I am using
>>> "every" day), for instance.
>>>
>>> [1] <http://php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.php>
>>>
>>
>> Sure, there are command line applications. But what percentage of the
>> PHP scripts out there fall into this case?
>
> Thomas said (see above for reference):
>
> | *No* programming language is “normally” either
> | “server-side” or “client-side”.
>
> Pointing out a single PHP application that runs neither "server-side"
> nor "client-side" proves this statement wrt. PHP (that doesn't prove the
> argument, though, but one can easily imagine any programming language to
> be used outside a client-server context). I pointed out two such
> applications.
>

"Normal" does not mean ALWAYS. It means "usual usage", i.e. "more than
50% of the time". The statement is correct. You are not.

>> You're as bad as Pointed Head. You don't understand what the term
>> "Normal" means. Maybe you're in the same alternate universe he is.
>
> You may want to reconsider this statement. :)
>

Not at all. I stand by it completely.

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		checking for audio playing ??? By: Mr Oldies on Sun, 27 October 2013 14:58
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Christoph Michael Bec on Sun, 27 October 2013 15:45
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Mr Oldies on Sun, 27 October 2013 16:01
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Denis McMahon on Sun, 27 October 2013 17:53
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Mr Oldies on Sun, 27 October 2013 18:24
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Doug Miller on Sun, 27 October 2013 18:38
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Richard Damon on Sun, 27 October 2013 18:43
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Mon, 28 October 2013 02:22
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 28 October 2013 09:49
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Richard Damon on Mon, 28 October 2013 12:11
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Mon, 28 October 2013 13:37
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 28 October 2013 14:01
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 29 October 2013 19:10
		server-side vs.client-side (was: checking for audio playing ???) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Tue, 29 October 2013 20:45
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:54
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 02:18
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 02:31
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:20
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 18:04
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 18:58
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 19:54
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 20:21
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 20:55
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 21:07
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Thu, 31 October 2013 08:40
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 31 October 2013 22:03
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 01 November 2013 00:38
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 02 November 2013 16:57
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sat, 02 November 2013 18:36
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 02 November 2013 18:44
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Denis McMahon on Sun, 03 November 2013 00:28
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Doug Miller on Sat, 02 November 2013 19:01
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 03 November 2013 01:40
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Michael Vilain on Fri, 01 November 2013 16:53
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 01 November 2013 17:53
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Fri, 01 November 2013 21:10
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 01 November 2013 22:25
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Fri, 01 November 2013 22:29
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 02 November 2013 00:37
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sat, 02 November 2013 00:26
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 01 November 2013 18:37
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Stefan+Usenet on Fri, 01 November 2013 19:19
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sat, 02 November 2013 00:24
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 02 November 2013 16:46
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Richard Damon on Sat, 02 November 2013 19:41
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Sat, 02 November 2013 21:37
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sun, 03 November 2013 09:48
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Sun, 03 November 2013 10:28
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 05 November 2013 10:15
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Tue, 05 November 2013 12:47
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sun, 03 November 2013 13:16
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Sun, 03 November 2013 16:00
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Chuck Anderson on Sun, 03 November 2013 21:52
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Chuck Anderson on Mon, 04 November 2013 06:19
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Mon, 04 November 2013 18:02
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:09
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Denis McMahon on Mon, 28 October 2013 15:23
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 28 October 2013 16:56
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Doug Miller on Sun, 27 October 2013 18:22
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Beauregard T. Shagnas on Mon, 28 October 2013 13:49
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Scott Johnson on Mon, 28 October 2013 18:36
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Arno Welzel on Mon, 28 October 2013 19:02
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Richard Damon on Tue, 29 October 2013 01:29
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Tue, 29 October 2013 11:18
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		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 29 October 2013 19:12
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