| Re: request for error checking feature [message #184079 is a reply to message #184078] |
Wed, 04 December 2013 15:37   |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 12/4/2013 9:41 AM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> writes:
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>> On 12/3/2013 9:42 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 12/3/2013 7:02 PM, Ben Bacarisse wrote:
>>>> > Christoph Michael Becker <cmbecker69(at)arcor(dot)de> writes:
>>>> >
>>>> >> richard wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Correcting errors one at a time, uploading, and doing that a few hundred
>>>> >> ^^^^^^^^^
>>>> >>> times is tedious, time consuming, and damn boring.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Set up a development environment on your local machine -- that'll save
>>>> >> you a lot of time. No need to upload any files in this case -- just
>>>> >> edit them in place and refresh the browser window.
>>>> >
>>>> > For people doing a lot of development a full server + PHP + bells +
>>>> > whistles is invaluable, but for simple stuff it is worth knowing that
>>>> > recent PHP versions come with a built-in server mode.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Which may or may not operate the same as the production server. It
>>>> depends on a lot of factors, including the exact server being used,
>>>> the modules loaded and the server configuration, amongst other things.
>>>
>>> Yes, it's main value is probably for learning PHP or early prototyping
>>> where you should be able to avoid anything server specific. PHP modules
>>> are not a problem -- you can add those in the usual way.
>>
>> No, it's main value is for you to develop in an environment as close
>> to identical on the server as possible. Everything I do server-wise
>> is tested on my development systems first.
>
> Me too. I think we've used different associations for "it". My "it"
> was PHP's internal server. I'm guessing at its usefulness based on only
> two reports from friends. Since I happen to have a full development
> system, I don't use it myself.
>
>>>> It isn't all that hard to set up a development server pretty much
>>>> identical to the production server. And a lot more accurate in
>>>> duplicating the environment. Even for simple stuff it is invaluable.
>>>
>>> Actually I've found it to be frustratingly difficult. I help out with
>>> several sites with different PHP versions, each with a sightly different
>>> sets of PHP modules and configurations. The server types and loaded
>>> modules also vary a lot, and at least one site uses a module that I'd
>>> have to buy if I wanted accurate duplication. Rather than have multiple
>>> installs or virtual machines all over the place I've opted for a single
>>> "typical" set-up that is probably not the same as any of the live ones.
>>
>> I have a standard setup that I use on all my servers.
>
> Sadly, I can't do that. The "helping out" almost always happens after
> the site is up and the organisation is usually reluctant to change
> anything at all.
>
>> If I need a
>> different setup for a client, I'll either create a separate
>> configuration file for my test systems or I create a new virtual
>> machine. It doesn't take me more than about 30 minutes to go from
>> nothing to a working virtual machine.
>>
>> As far as paid modules go - if it's necessary for proper operation of
>> the website, I get it. It's a cost of doing business.
>
> I don't usually ask for money so paying for stuff has be justified to
> the individual or charity involved. In the specific case of the paid
> for module it was simpler just to work out what it was doing rather than
> trying to match my development environment to the production one. I
> agree wholeheartedly that it's a good idea, I just don't think it's
> always possible or even always worth the time and or money.
>
That's the difference. I get paid for what I do.
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