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Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 [message #13613 is a reply to message #13612]

Mon, 20 October 2003 01:51

Ilia

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Inflexible standards are often worse then no standards at all. The so called standard was original UBB, which simply got copied as far as basic layout ever since by almost every forum's package. It was not copied because it was good, etc... merely simply because it was there and it is always easier to duplicate that to come up with something original.

The layout had and still has many inherit flaws, which other developers are simply afraid to break because of 'backwards compatibility' reasons. Even if a better idea came across they wouldn't change simply because it might weird out some users. Afterall, any change initialy always encounters stiff resistance.

I do not know where your level of expertise lies, but I spend a lot of my time working on forum software, specifically dealing with commercial entities using FUDforum. A lot of the time the design alteration that request as ESSENTIAL component to addoption are the ones dealing with the layout changes I've integrated in this release. Same goes for a fair number of webmasters who have contacted me with questions regarding getting FUDforum to work within their sites. Initially I was of a similar midset as you are right now, however eventually I decided to see whether the changes all these people were making do look better. And after getting used to the 'different', which surprisingly took little time I realized how much more effective the design was, hence this change.

As for screen resolutions being large I find your arguments invalid. I specifically went and looked for recent stats on web resolutions from major web counters and here is what I found:

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2003/May/res.php
42% 1024 * 768
44% 800 * 600

http://www.servustats.com/screen_resolutionex.php
44% 1024 * 768
39% 800 * 600

There are similar stats on w3schools.org and few other places.

The bottom line being that the prevailant screen resolutions are still quite small and when you add on various browser addons, non-full screen browsers, etc... you get a very limited screen space.

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		New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Sat, 18 October 2003 04:22
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Sat, 18 October 2003 05:25
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Sat, 18 October 2003 17:59
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Sat, 18 October 2003 20:03
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Sat, 18 October 2003 20:56
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Sat, 18 October 2003 21:05
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Sun, 19 October 2003 02:26
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Sun, 19 October 2003 14:39
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Sun, 19 October 2003 21:46
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Sun, 19 October 2003 21:48
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Sun, 19 October 2003 22:00
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Sun, 19 October 2003 23:22
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Mon, 20 October 2003 01:51
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Mon, 20 October 2003 03:08
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Mon, 20 October 2003 03:24
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Mon, 20 October 2003 05:06
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Mon, 20 October 2003 05:07
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Mon, 20 October 2003 13:14
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Mon, 20 October 2003 04:24
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Gady on Mon, 20 October 2003 05:07
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Mon, 20 October 2003 15:20
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AutoHost on Tue, 21 October 2003 14:46
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Tue, 21 October 2003 15:31
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AutoHost on Tue, 21 October 2003 16:22
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Tue, 21 October 2003 16:45
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AutoHost on Tue, 21 October 2003 17:41
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Tue, 21 October 2003 19:38
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Bjorne on Sat, 18 October 2003 16:47
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Sat, 18 October 2003 17:01
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: JamesS on Tue, 21 October 2003 21:21
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Tue, 21 October 2003 21:37
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Wild_Cat on Tue, 21 October 2003 22:00
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Tue, 21 October 2003 22:13
		What is all that cry about? By: Gady on Tue, 21 October 2003 21:51
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Wild_Cat on Tue, 21 October 2003 21:43
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Tue, 21 October 2003 22:01
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Gady on Tue, 21 October 2003 22:10
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Tue, 21 October 2003 22:15
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Wild_Cat on Tue, 21 October 2003 23:31
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 00:09
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: tgaastra on Wed, 22 October 2003 00:17
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 00:23
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: tgaastra on Wed, 22 October 2003 00:31
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 01:01
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Wed, 22 October 2003 03:21
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 13:11
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 14:41
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 15:27
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Gady on Wed, 22 October 2003 16:31
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 16:37
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Gady on Wed, 22 October 2003 17:30
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 17:33
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Wed, 22 October 2003 18:21
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: tgaastra on Wed, 22 October 2003 17:13
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 17:22
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: tgaastra on Wed, 22 October 2003 20:46
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Wed, 22 October 2003 18:25
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 19:03
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Wed, 22 October 2003 20:53
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 21:48
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Thu, 23 October 2003 01:37
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Thu, 23 October 2003 02:11
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Thu, 23 October 2003 04:20
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Thu, 23 October 2003 14:27
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Thu, 23 October 2003 16:11
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Thu, 23 October 2003 19:12
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Thu, 23 October 2003 21:16
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Thu, 23 October 2003 21:26
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AutoHost on Thu, 23 October 2003 21:30
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Thu, 23 October 2003 21:33
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Thu, 23 October 2003 21:35
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AutoHost on Fri, 24 October 2003 13:28
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Fri, 24 October 2003 13:36
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AzaToth on Sun, 26 October 2003 01:23
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Sun, 26 October 2003 16:39
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AzaToth on Sun, 26 October 2003 22:14
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Mon, 27 October 2003 10:32
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: AzaToth on Mon, 27 October 2003 14:55
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: esm2002 on Wed, 22 October 2003 18:09
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: tgaastra on Wed, 22 October 2003 04:58
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Wild_Cat on Wed, 22 October 2003 01:04
		Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 By: Ilia on Wed, 22 October 2003 01:06

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