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Re: New in 2.6.0RC1 [message #13696 is a reply to message #13694] Thu, 23 October 2003 01:37 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Ilia wrote on Wed, 22 October 2003 17:48


Err, I think you misunderstood me due to a typo. I ment 3rd column not 3rd row. I do not wish to combine MsgR1 & MsgToolBar. I can't even imagine how that would work. I was asking wether the change you were proposing was to move the last column of the MsgR1 to the output right hand side as in the image you've posted before.



well, I was wondering cause it did make sense to keep the MsgToolBar row

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Dull grey border on a slightly darker grey background? That does not sound like it would work...



well, it works pretty good.


the top two msgs use a dull grey on a dull color. the 3rd msg uses a black line. to me it calls attention to the line itself when you want to highlite the msg in MsgR3.

it kinda like using a light bg color for the column headings (MsgR1 and MsgR2 ) and a dark bg color for msg in MsgR3. Since you want to direct the reader's attention to the msg, you would think it would work. but it just doesn't work that way because when I tried it from time to time over the last 30+ yrs, I'm told to "fix it." See the 4th and 5th examples.


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You can have too much of a good thing Wink, I think too much spacing results in quite the opposite effect. IMHO it would be better to use CSS padding of 4-5 pixels (at most) as a break between the message. Anything more and message display will look disjointed.



If you use CSS padding, then that can easily be adjusted to preference. My position is that our eyes are trained to expect certain things and that any deviation from that "norm" will draw attention. We try to do that in advertisements. In the tree view the spacing between our "paragraphs" ( as represented by each block of msgs ) is not what we expect to see. The small spacing between the msgs draws attention to the small spacing between the msgs when we want the reader to focus on the msg.

It just like when we see that extra space between a first and last name where the middle initial is suppose to go but the programmer forgot to check to see if the middle initial could be empty. If had $5 for everytime I have been asked to fix that, we could take the rest of the year off. I would say that it is absolutely amazing how people can see that extra space, but they do it everytime it happens, so I would actually be amazed if they did not see it.

We just notice the unusual. That is why I stick to the standard line spacing as measured from baseline to baseline when I need to separate things and not call attention to the spacing itself. But that is just me. Experience in the corporate world has been a harsh taskmaster.

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Actually it does not, because the icon height is exactly 2 text lines, so the only difference is that now there is 1 line aligned to the center of the row. However, if the subject of the message is long is could result in rather ugly wrapping.



You lost me on this one. Ok, I see that the icon is 2 text lines high. well the subject is suppose to be somewhat terse without being a paragraph long. I understand the folks can get long-winded. maybe use a maxlenght tag to limit it so they both fit inside the 800x600 window. but if the icon is two lines high then, put them on separate lines.

Gene
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