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Re: newbie: Zend or PEAR supported on web hosting company? [message #171726 is a reply to message #171725] Tue, 18 January 2011 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Thomas 'PointedEars' is currently offline  Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Sherm Pendley wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> writes:
>> Sherm Pendley wrote:
>>> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars(at)web(dot)de> writes:
>>>> Derek Turner wrote:
>>>> >> As about PEAR, just install it in your computer, upload the files and
>>>> You meant _download_, which is unnecessary manually if you use the
>>>> `pear' program (which one could, as one would have have just
>>>> *installed* it.)
>>> No - he meant upload. Install it on *your* computer (using pear), then
>>> upload the result to your web space.
>> OK, but that's crazy.
>
> Why? As someone else (I forget who) mentioned, 'pear' may need root
> access, or may not be available on one's web hosting account.

So go get them. They are not hard to come by. But good news: `pear' is
user-configurable¹ and there's go-pear, so root and shell access is not
mandatory; only PHP-CLI and downloads to the server (see below).

_____
¹ <http://pear.php.net/manual/de/guide.users.commandline.cli.php>

> But the end result of running it is just a pile of PHP files,

No, it is a little bit more than just that.

> so one can work around such limited access by running it locally, then
> uploading the end result when it's done.
>
> If you think about it, it's really no crazier than developing code on
> one's own desktop before uploading it to a deployment server.

The difference there is that you *know* what you changed (but preferably you
would rather use SVN & Co., and then checkout the remote repository to the
localhost and the remote servers.)

By contrast, it is not easy to see which packages are downloaded by `pear'
when it resolves the dependencies for the initially needed package, and what
exactly is changed by that. Sure, that upload approach *might* work fine
the first time. But after that you either have to clear your local PEAR
directory before you start installing another package, or always upload
*everything* PEAR to be sure that you do not miss anything (OK, rsync could
help in some cases, but people who can rsync would probably have root[-like]
access already. And it was still not a complete solution).

The sane approach is to find a hoster like Derek's and install the needed
PEAR packages there *and* on one's (local) development server.

See also:
<http://pear.php.net/manual/en/guide.users.commandline.installing.php> and
<http://pear.php.net/manual/en/installation.shared.php>.


PointedEars
--
Danny Goodman's books are out of date and teach practices that are
positively harmful for cross-browser scripting.
-- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7(at)news(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk> (2004)

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