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Re: Lookup zip by IP address [message #172941 is a reply to message #172940]

Sat, 12 March 2011 16:35

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On 3/12/2011 10:02 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> On 3/12/2011 9:16 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
>> In article<ilfs0n$3ga$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org>,
>> Jerry Stuckle<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
>>
>>> For the record, IPv4 and IPv6 refer ONLY to the number of bytes in the
>>> IP address. They have NOTHING to do with the protocol itself
>>
>> Actually, IPv4 and IPv6 *are* completely different (although related)
>> protocols. For sure, the most obvious difference between them is the
>> length of the addresses, but there are other differences as well. The
>> header formats are different, and there are fundamental differences in
>> how they deal with options, routing, MTU, traffic flows, etc. Wikipedia
>> does a decent job comparing the two
>> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6#Comparison_to_IPv4).
>>
>
> Of course there have to be minor differences in the headers to identify
> whether they're using IPv4 or IPv6. And there have been some minor
> changes with the routing, etc - but those could easily have been
> implemented in IPv4, also. They just weren't.
>
>>> IPv4 was heavily used by Arpanet back in the 1960's - which would
>>> have been VERY hard to do if it hadn't been invented until 1981.
>>
>> To the best of my knowledge, the first RFC describing what we now call
>> IPv4 was RFC 760, published in January 1980. This was updated by RFC
>> 791, published in September 1981. I'm not sure when the first
>> experimental versions were deployed, but it's absurd to say that IPv4
>> was in use (heavy or otherwise) in the 1960s.
>>
>
> Then what was I using in the early 70's while in college? And what was I
> working on in the late 70's when I worked for IBM?
>
> Arpanet used TCP/IP, and was in existence in the 60's. And it used 4
> byte addresses.
>
> RFC's came about LONG after Arpanet was developed.
>
>>> I never hear anyone (except you) use IP to refer to an address.
>>> Everyone else uses the term "ip address" - which is correct.
>>
>> People often say "IP" when they mean "IP address" in casual
>> conversation. "I can't reach foo.com, can you try pinging it?". "OK,
>> what's the IP?" It's sloppy, but lots of casual conversation is sloppy,
>> and people figure out the meaning from context.
>
> Yes, casual conversations, I agree. But not like "Pointed Head" indicated.

Mr. Stuckle, you can make your point without belittling yourself and others.

Bill B

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		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 12 March 2011 01:57
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 03:13
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: D. Stussy on Sat, 12 March 2011 07:32
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 12 March 2011 08:37
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 13:21
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Roy Smith on Sat, 12 March 2011 14:16
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 15:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Sat, 12 March 2011 16:35
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 12 March 2011 16:59
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Sat, 12 March 2011 23:28
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 02:33
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Luuk on Sun, 13 March 2011 14:58
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 17:32
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Luuk on Sun, 13 March 2011 17:46
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 19:35
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:52
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:28
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:37
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:51
		OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:49
		Re: OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 17:17
		Re: OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Tue, 15 March 2011 15:17
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:40
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:12
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:42
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 16:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 14 March 2011 16:07
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:49
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		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:54
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:39
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Sat, 12 March 2011 23:13
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:19
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:17
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:14
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sun, 13 March 2011 23:45
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 13:16
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Michael Fesser on Mon, 14 March 2011 11:23
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 13:29
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