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Re: Lookup zip by IP address [message #172949 is a reply to message #172940]

Sat, 12 March 2011 19:19

Twayne
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In news:ilg1uk$oj1$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org,
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> typed:
:: On 3/12/2011 9:16 AM, Roy Smith wrote:
::: In article<ilfs0n$3ga$1(at)news(dot)eternal-september(dot)org>,
::: Jerry Stuckle<jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net> wrote:
:::
:::: For the record, IPv4 and IPv6 refer ONLY to the number
:::: of bytes in the IP address. They have NOTHING to do
:::: with the protocol itself

LOL, that IS part of the protocol, dummy!
:::
::: Actually, IPv4 and IPv6 *are* completely different
::: (although related) protocols. For sure, the most obvious
::: difference between them is the length of the addresses,
::: but there are other differences as well. The header
::: formats are different, and there are fundamental
::: differences in how they deal with options, routing, MTU,
::: traffic flows, etc. Wikipedia does a decent job
::: comparing the two
::: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6#Comparison_to_IPv4).
:::
::
:: Of course there have to be minor differences in the
:: headers to identify whether they're using IPv4 or IPv6.
:: And there have been some minor changes with the routing,
:: etc - but those could easily have been implemented in
:: IPv4, also. They just weren't.
::
:::: IPv4 was heavily used by Arpanet back in the 1960's -
:::: which would have been VERY hard to do if it hadn't been
:::: invented until 1981.
:::
::: To the best of my knowledge, the first RFC describing
::: what we now call IPv4 was RFC 760, published in January
::: 1980. This was updated by RFC 791, published in
::: September 1981. I'm not sure when the first experimental
::: versions were deployed, but it's absurd to say that IPv4
::: was in use (heavy or otherwise) in the 1960s.
:::
::
:: Then what was I using in the early 70's while in college?
:: And what was I working on in the late 70's when I worked
:: for IBM?
::
:: Arpanet used TCP/IP, and was in existence in the 60's.
:: And it used 4 byte addresses.
::
:: RFC's came about LONG after Arpanet was developed.
::
:::: I never hear anyone (except you) use IP to refer to an
:::: address. Everyone else uses the term "ip address" -
:::: which is correct.
:::
::: People often say "IP" when they mean "IP address" in
::: casual conversation. "I can't reach foo.com, can you try
::: pinging it?". "OK, what's the IP?" It's sloppy, but
::: lots of casual conversation is sloppy, and people figure
::: out the meaning from context.
::
:: Yes, casual conversations, I agree. But not like "Pointed
:: Head" indicated.
::
:: --
:: ==================
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:: Jerry Stuckle
:: JDS Computer Training Corp.
:: jstucklex(at)attglobal(dot)net
:: ==================

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		Lookup zip by IP address By: laredotornado@zipmail on Mon, 10 January 2011 18:29
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Michael Fesser on Mon, 10 January 2011 18:36
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Heiko Richler on Mon, 10 January 2011 18:52
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 10 January 2011 20:44
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Captain Paralytic on Mon, 10 January 2011 22:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 17 January 2011 20:46
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 12 March 2011 01:57
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 03:13
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: D. Stussy on Sat, 12 March 2011 07:32
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 12 March 2011 08:37
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 13:21
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Roy Smith on Sat, 12 March 2011 14:16
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 15:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Sat, 12 March 2011 16:35
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 12 March 2011 16:59
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Sat, 12 March 2011 23:28
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 02:33
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Luuk on Sun, 13 March 2011 14:58
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 17:32
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Luuk on Sun, 13 March 2011 17:46
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 19:35
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:52
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:28
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 13 March 2011 21:37
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:51
		OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:49
		Re: OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 17:17
		Re: OT Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Tue, 15 March 2011 15:17
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:40
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: me on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:12
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:42
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 16:02
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 14 March 2011 16:07
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 02:49
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Mon, 14 March 2011 04:20
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:54
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 14 March 2011 15:39
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: spambait on Sat, 12 March 2011 23:13
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:19
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:17
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Sat, 12 March 2011 19:14
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sun, 13 March 2011 23:45
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 12 March 2011 13:16
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Michael Fesser on Mon, 14 March 2011 11:23
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 13:29
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Roy Smith on Mon, 14 March 2011 13:40
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Mon, 14 March 2011 13:54
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Roy Smith on Mon, 14 March 2011 23:50
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 15 March 2011 00:25
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Tobiah on Thu, 07 April 2011 17:01
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 11 January 2011 11:25
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Twayne on Mon, 17 January 2011 20:48
		Re: Lookup zip by IP address By: Captain Paralytic on Mon, 10 January 2011 22:05
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