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Re: php license [message #173804 is a reply to message #173785]

Thu, 05 May 2011 16:10

Thomas 'PointedEars'
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VanguardLH wrote:

> Aleks Kleyn wrote:
>> when I setup MSI file from http://us3.php.net/downloads.php web site, it
>> shows license agreement which includes following text
>>
>> 3. The name "PHP" must not be used to endorse or promote products
>> derived from this software without prior written permission. For
>> written permission, please contact group(at)php(dot)net.
>
> You cannot use PHP to build yet another programming language. That is,
> PHP cannot be the base for your new language without first getting
> permission.

Wrong. This is about endorsement and promotion, and it is about name, not
foundation. Suppose you do a new language that is based on PHP that does
not have "PHP" in its name, then you do not need that written permission in
order to endorse or promote it; otherwise you do.

> If you want to build something atop of PHP, like PHP-Plus,
> then you have to ask because the founders of PHP probably don't want the
> quality of their product polluted with bad projects that build up from
> PHP as their base.

That is correct for this particular example only because it includes "PHP"
in the name of the new language.

> If you want to use their codebase for their PHP product in your
> derivative product then you need permission.

No. *That* permission is explicitly granted by the license.

> Writing scripts that rely on their interpreter to execute is NOT stealing
> the code of that interpreter.

Nor would be using it as basis. PHP is Open Source, after all. Again, this
is only about names.

>> 4. Products derived from this software may not be called "PHP", nor
>> may "PHP" appear in their name, without prior written permission
>> from group(at)php(dot)net. You may indicate that your software works in
>> conjunction with PHP by saying "Foo for PHP" instead of calling
>> it "PHP Foo" or "phpfoo"
>
> You cannot use "PHP" in the product's title. Something like
> "PHPfantastic" is a no-no. Just because you use PHP to code your
> product doesn't grant you permission to use "PHP" (as a distinct
> reference) in your product name. "SLOPHP" for something related to HP
> would be okay, however.

Nonsense. "SLOPHP" would make no difference (as it is a variant of
"phpfoo", and you can use "PHP" in the product's _name_ if you have
requested and gotten written permission.

Why are you reinterpreting and misinterpreting what is written there?
It could not be more clear.

PointedEars (IANAL)
--
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-- Richard Cornford, cljs, <cife6q$253$1$8300dec7(at)news(dot)demon(dot)co(dot)uk> (2004)

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		php license By: Aleks Kleyn on Wed, 04 May 2011 02:05
		Re: php license By: P E Schoen on Wed, 04 May 2011 02:42
		Re: php license By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Wed, 04 May 2011 18:01
		Re: php license By: me on Wed, 04 May 2011 10:42
		Re: php license By: alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX on Wed, 04 May 2011 10:51
		Re: php license By: Aleks Kleyn on Thu, 05 May 2011 00:33
		Re: php license By: alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX on Thu, 05 May 2011 07:56
		Re: php license By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 05 May 2011 17:23
		Re: php license By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Wed, 04 May 2011 15:51
		Re: php license By: VanguardLH on Wed, 04 May 2011 22:14
		Re: php license By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 05 May 2011 16:10
		Re: php license By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 05 May 2011 19:20
		Re: php license By: VanguardLH on Thu, 05 May 2011 19:50
		Re: php license By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Thu, 05 May 2011 20:30

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