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Thu, 12 May 2011 22:05

jimp
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Jeff North <jnorthau(at)yahoo(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2011 16:12:19 -0000, in comp.lang.php
> jimp(at)specsol(dot)spam(dot)sux(dot)com
> <3gdt98-u0e(dot)ln1(at)mail(dot)specsol(dot)com> wrote:
>
>> | Jeff North <jnorthau(at)yahoo(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
>> | > On Thu, 12 May 2011 04:35:51 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>> | > jimp(at)specsol(dot)spam(dot)sux(dot)com
>> | > <7m4s98-8i8(dot)ln1(at)mail(dot)specsol(dot)com> wrote:
>> | >
>> | >>| Jeff North <jnorthau(at)yahoo(dot)com(dot)au> wrote:
>> | >>| > On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:53:54 -0000, in comp.lang.php
>> | >
>> | > [snip]
>> | >
>> | >>| If you read all the posts, you will see that he posted a link to the site
>> | >>| in question.
>> | >
>> | > Not all posts come through and NO I did not get that posting.
>> | >
>> | >>| I accessed the site with Firebug turned on and watched all the javascript
>> | >>| download and the timers reset as I moved the mouse.
>> | >
>> | > Lucky you.
>> |
>> | Or knowing what I am doing me with a javascript debugger installed in my
>> | web browser.
>
> I'm impressed - not.

Who cares?

>> | >>| So, for the site in question:
>> | >>|
>> | >>| Yes, it uses javascript.
>> | >>|
>> | >>| Yes, it uses javascript timers to see if there is any mouse movement.
>> | >
>> | > Well if the OP doesn't want to have the page refresh then all they
>> | > need do is disable Javascript.
>> | >
>> | >>| And no, you can not do that with just HTML.
>> | >
>> | > The point is that you don't need Javascript at all to do the refresh.
>> |
>> | Depends on what you mean by "refresh".
>
> Oh here we go - playing the semantics game.
>
>> | If by "refresh" you mean some amount of time has passed and you have neither
>> | clicked anything on the page nor navigated away from the page
>
> The former is refresh, the later is redirect (to be semantically
> correct).

There is no former or latter; it is one set of conditions with an "and"
and a "nor" in there, i.e. if (A AND NOT B AND NOT C).

So, is <meta http-equiv="refresh" to the exact same page a "refresh" or
a "redirect" semantically speaking?

>> | , yes you can do that in HTML.
>> |
>> | I've said that several times now.
>> |
>> | The part you keep ignoring is the issue of mouse movement and the only
>> | way you can detect mouse movement is client side scripting,
>
> The part you can't seem to grasp is that I am highlighting that there
> is an alternative method of doing a page refresh/redirect *without*
> the need for a scripting language (which may or may not be disabled /
> unknown to the browser).

The part you can't seem to grasp is that the subject of the post is
mouse movement detection, not "page refresh/redirect".

>> | which means javascript.
>
> To be semantically correct - there is also the non-standard VBScript
> or the much lesser known language TCL
> (http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-script-970314 circa 1998).

If I add "for all practical purposes" between the words "means" and
"javascript" would that make you happy?

I originally was going to do that but left it out thinking no one could
be that anal retentive.

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		Re: mouse movement detection? By: Jeff North on Wed, 11 May 2011 13:34
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		Re: mouse movement detection? By: Jeff North on Thu, 12 May 2011 02:26
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		Re: mouse movement detection? By: Jeff North on Thu, 12 May 2011 06:09
		Re: mouse movement detection? By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 12 May 2011 10:52
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		Re: mouse movement detection? By: Jeff North on Thu, 12 May 2011 21:36
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