| Re: Trouble with sending e-mail from simple php script [message #176546 is a reply to message #176518] |
Mon, 09 January 2012 13:32   |
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On Jan 9, 12:53 am, "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_h...@nowhere.dee>
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> Am 08.01.2012 21:44, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
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>> On 1/8/2012 11:01 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>> Am 08.01.2012 16:39, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> On 1/8/2012 10:33 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> > Am 08.01.2012 16:02, schrieb Jerry Stuckle:
>>>> >> On 1/8/2012 9:12 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> >>> Am 08.01.2012 10:20, schrieb C:
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>>>> >>>> Even if the message were rejected, I would still see
>>>> >>>> something
>>>> >>>> in that
>>>> >>>> frame, but I get only a blank frame. Client machine
>>>> >>>> rejecting the
>>>> >>>> message should not even be noticed by this PHP script, or
>>>> >>>> would it?
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>>>> >>> You have to learn how to find and read the log files. Your
>>>> >>> script
>>>> >>> will not show errors if it dies.
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>>>> >>> On Linux log files are only readable by root.
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>>>> >>> /Str.
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>>>> >> Log files are not always available, and PHP errors are often
>>>> >> not
>>>> >> written to logs (depending on the configuration - the
>>>> >> default is
>>>> >> to NOT write them).
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>>>> >> Also, if the log files exist, they may easily be set up to be
>>>> >> read by others than root.
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>>>> > Don't tell me, tell C.
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>>>> No, you're the one who made the claims. I'm just correcting your
>>>> misinformation.
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>>>> > And the standard on linux is that log files are only root
>>>> > readable. I don't think it helps anybody if we start discussing
>>>> > what could all be done with the log files.
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>>>> They can easily be changed - it has nothing to do with whether
>>>> you're using standard linux or not.
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>>>> > Please do not start arguing with me on this level. I did
>>>> > Coherent
>>>> > on a serial terminal at home before linux came up, and I was
>>>> > working in an IBM computing center back then.
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>>>> > /Str.
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>>>> Great. I was programming an IBM 1410 with punched cards in the
>>>> 60's and an IBM employee in the 70's - both long before Linux
>>>> came up.
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>>>> When your statements are incorrect, I will correct them.
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>>> I was glad the punched cards were gone when I came. The old
>>> operator could sort them by hand.
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>>> There was nothing wrong with my statements. If he says "no log
>>> file" (which is not true, he said "blank frame") or "0 bytes in
>>> it" we know more, meanwhile it makes sense to suggest a standard
>>> setup.
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>>> /Str.
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>> No log file can be completely correct. The default setup for PHP
>> does not include writing errors to a log file.
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> Checked, and true, log_errors is 0.
> But display_errors is STDOUT.
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>> Even if the
>> errors are written to a log file (very unusual in a shared
>> hosting environment), he will probably not have access to those
>> files. The sysop can change the configuration (and some good
>> hosts do) to allow this, but it's uncommon.
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> Is it? There would be no chance to find errors. Last 10 years I
> only have virtual and true servers.
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>> You are the one who told him he needs to learn to find and read
>> the log files. And you're the one who said they can only be read
>> by root. Neither statement is correct.
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> If he can delete php.ini he is on his own machine.
No, I am not.
(This work is done for a non-profit organisation voluntarily. A friend
got the server space and domain registration done. I tried to get a
basic www site established, so that I can hand over to others who
would then add information to it now and then.)
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>> But it matters not because there is nearly a 0% chance he will be
>> able to read the log files. So telling him to do it just sends
>> him off on a wild goose chase.
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> I agree to the chance. It is hard to give a basic course in some
> newsgroups posts.
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>> And as I told him - a blank frame is a different problem than
>> email not being received. He needs to fix that first.
Getting a blank frame seems to be an additional problem. I have not
made progress on either problem yet.
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> I told him, and it is incorrect, so I sent him into a loop ah
> goose chase, so he has no chance, and he listens to me instead of
> you, he needs to fix that first, that's my fault, because I don't
> care about security, ... Did I summon it up correctly?
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