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Thu, 29 March 2012 12:02

M. Strobel
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Am 29.03.2012 12:46, schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
> Leonardo Azpurua wrote:
>> "M. Strobel" <sorry_no_mail_here(at)nowhere(dot)dee> escribi� en el mensaje
>> news:9tij5fFmi8U1(at)mid(dot)uni-berlin(dot)de...
>>
>>> Yes, this was truly an article.
>>>
>>> Next problem (or assignment) is to understand the supported paradigms,
>>> and how to use them to meet your requirements.
>>>
>>> I think of the - real or felt? - large ignorance of OO programming in PHP.
>>
>>
>> Probably felt.
>>
>> I mean, I am ignorant of much of PHP. But its support for OOP is quite standard:
>> single inheritance, interfaces, private, public and protected visibility, abstract
>> vs. concrete classes and methods. The "magic methods" which I just discovered
>> thanks to Alvaro Vicario's response to my original post are sort of
>> "idiosincratic", but perfectly understandable. It lacks operator overloading (which
>> I have never actually used) and signature based overloading (which might come
>> handy, but would probably conflict with the dynamic nature of PHP function calls,
>> which I certainly prefer).
>>
>> I have been using (crippled) OO languages for the last couple of decades, and my
>> analisys and design methods are purely OO.
>>
>
> Do you know, I don't even know when my analysis and design methods are OO and when
> they are not.
>
> Its just another way of doing things and I let my understanding of the problem guide
> me, not a set of arbitrary rules.
>
> I dont use OOP languages, because having read up on them extensively when they first
> appeared I simply thought 'oh, ok, I see where they are coming from' and incorporated
> a few ideas about how code and data should be organised in pseudo object form, and
> moved on. The benefits are in the way of looking at things, not enforcing a set of
> strictures on programming. Especially when many coding problems do not lend
> themselves to those strictures.
>
> (and almost all of the problems to which PHP is the natural language of choice do not
> benefit from OOP. If a web site is the application each php 'page' is an object in
> its own right..anyway. Neither are microprocessors in the end object oriented.
> Object orientation stresses the structure of data, whereas procedural coding
> stresses the way in which processing is carried out.)

This is exactly what I mean: how does the OO concept help me?

You could compare it maybe to languages: there is the passive and the active
knowledge, passive means you understand (some), active means you talk (some).
Understanding what someone says is far easier than saying it yourself.

You must get to talk OO - or whatever the concept is. I only learned talking OO after
attending some Java courses, and I already had 10 years of IT experience then.

/Str.

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		out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Tue, 27 March 2012 17:01
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: alvaro.NOSPAMTHANX on Tue, 27 March 2012 17:06
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Tue, 27 March 2012 17:34
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Wed, 28 March 2012 19:12
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Thu, 29 March 2012 00:53
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Thu, 29 March 2012 08:00
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Thu, 29 March 2012 09:53
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 29 March 2012 10:46
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Thu, 29 March 2012 12:02
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Erwin Moller on Thu, 29 March 2012 12:33
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 29 March 2012 13:37
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 29 March 2012 17:09
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Tim Streater on Thu, 29 March 2012 21:07
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Thu, 29 March 2012 21:43
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 30 March 2012 03:52
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 29 March 2012 20:11
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 29 March 2012 23:29
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Sun, 08 April 2012 20:50
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Sun, 08 April 2012 21:15
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Sun, 08 April 2012 22:39
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 08 April 2012 23:59
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 08:05
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Wed, 11 April 2012 08:40
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 11:58
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:18
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: The Natural Philosoph on Tue, 10 April 2012 17:20
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 17:31
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:20
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:16
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 11:44
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:04
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 15:37
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:19
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:44
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:23
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Scott Johnson on Mon, 09 April 2012 18:50
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Mon, 09 April 2012 21:03
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Scott Johnson on Mon, 09 April 2012 22:27
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 00:25
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 10:48
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:06
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:22
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:20
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Leonardo Azpurua on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:33
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:28
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 22:13
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 23:53
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:17
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:30
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 00:22
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 10:43
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:11
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 16:15
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 17:09
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 18:17
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Tue, 10 April 2012 18:25
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:21
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 21:34
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 23:00
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 23:54
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:10
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:31
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Wed, 11 April 2012 20:40
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 12 April 2012 04:02
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: M. Strobel on Thu, 12 April 2012 10:00
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