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Tue, 10 April 2012 12:11

Jerry Stuckle
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On 4/10/2012 6:43 AM, Thomas Mlynarczyk wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle schrieb:
>
>> Objects NEVER persist between different HTTP requests. By definition,
>> HTTP is a transactional environment and at the end of the request any
>> objects are destroyed.
>
> True. But since we do need objects to persist, we invent things like
> sessions and serialization so our scripts can *pretend* they persist and
> will never know the difference.
>
>> Objects by definition have state and behavior. Only the state can
>> persist between transactions; behavior never can - which is why
>> objects need to be reconstructed.
>
> Behaviour is "the methods". And they surely persist since the source
> files are not destroyed after each request. All instances of a class
> share the same methods, after all.
>

No, you cannot use those methods to act on the data while it is
serialized, i.e. on disk or in a database. Only the state is present.

To use those methods, you need to create a new object using that state
data.

It is a huge difference which true OO languages handle just fine. Only
PHP seems to have a problem with it.

>> Both __construct() and __clone() are types of constructors. __wakeup()
>> is not (unless you consider sleep() to be a destructor - see above).
>
> Why do you keep insisting that I must consider __sleep() to be a
> destructor if I consider __wakeup() to be a constructor?
>
> Consider:
>
> 1) __sleep() is called before the corresponding __wakeup() -- by your
> logic this would mean the destructor is called before the constructor
>
> 2) __sleep() is called on a different object than the corresponding
> __wakeup() -- so it cannot be the destructor corresponding to __wakeup()
>
> 3) __sleep() does not destroy anything. On the contrary, it helps to
> preserve something. It is therefore not a destructor.
>
> Greetings,
> Thomas
>

If you are considering __wakeup() to be a constructor, then __sleep(),
being exactly the opposite, would be a destructor. (why do you think
they are called "sleep" and "wakeup" if the designers didn't consider
them to be opposites?).

And what you're saying is that the destructor (__sleep()) is called
after a constructor (__construct(), __clone() or __wakeup()).

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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 00:22
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 10:43
		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Jerry Stuckle on Tue, 10 April 2012 12:11
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		Re: out of sheer curiosity... By: Thomas Mlynarczyk on Tue, 10 April 2012 18:17
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