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Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? [message #180071 is a reply to message #180070] Fri, 04 January 2013 18:13 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
The Natural Philosoph is currently offline  The Natural Philosoph
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On 04/01/13 16:50, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:52:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 1/4/2013 7:06 AM, bill wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2013 8:18 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 03.01.2013 12:52, schrieb bill:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Use xdebug, and a IDE that does it, for example Komodo IDE.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is there a remote debugger that does not require and IDE?
>>>> > ie: one I can open in a 2nd browser window?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I once found a xdebug_client directly from the makers at xdebug.org,
>>>> but it was in
>>>> alpha state.
>>>>
>>>> You can dump execution traces.
>>>>
>>>> But why worry? A developer has an IDE.
>>>>
>>>> /Str.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I prefer HTML-Kit Tools as an editor and it is not part of an IDE.
>>> bill
>>
>> Sorry, I agree. A DEVELOPER has an IDE. A hacker uses an editor.
>
> A real hacker redirects echo straight to a text file. (;
>
Its about as stupid as saying a real woodworker has a planer
thicknesser, table router, spindle moulder and a press.

And doesn't use hammers chisels and hand saws and scrapers.

Yet the best musical instruments and cabinet making is all done with
hand tools.

I was writing code long before we HAD IDEs. And once you had blown the
EAROM you had to guess at why it didn't work. Because we didn't have
enough ICES to go round.

BECAUSE we were professionals we learnt to write code in such a way that
the chances of a bug were very very low.

Its hackers who use IDES to throw code together, and then spend the next
day bodging it until it works, simply because they have the tools that
make debugging easier than writing proper code in the first place.

The youth of today...

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(in-ep-toc’-ra-cy) – a system of government where the least capable to
lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the
members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are
rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a
diminishing number of producers.

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