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Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? [message #180073 is a reply to message #180071] Fri, 04 January 2013 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Jerry Stuckle is currently offline  Jerry Stuckle
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On 1/4/2013 1:13 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 04/01/13 16:50, Peter H. Coffin wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 Jan 2013 08:52:33 -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2013 7:06 AM, bill wrote:
>>>> On 1/3/2013 8:18 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> > Am 03.01.2013 12:52, schrieb bill:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Use xdebug, and a IDE that does it, for example Komodo IDE.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Is there a remote debugger that does not require and IDE?
>>>> >> ie: one I can open in a 2nd browser window?
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > I once found a xdebug_client directly from the makers at xdebug.org,
>>>> > but it was in
>>>> > alpha state.
>>>> >
>>>> > You can dump execution traces.
>>>> >
>>>> > But why worry? A developer has an IDE.
>>>> >
>>>> > /Str.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I prefer HTML-Kit Tools as an editor and it is not part of an IDE.
>>>> bill
>>>
>>> Sorry, I agree. A DEVELOPER has an IDE. A hacker uses an editor.
>>
>> A real hacker redirects echo straight to a text file. (;
>>
> Its about as stupid as saying a real woodworker has a planer
> thicknesser, table router, spindle moulder and a press.
>
> And doesn't use hammers chisels and hand saws and scrapers.
>
> Yet the best musical instruments and cabinet making is all done with
> hand tools.
>
> I was writing code long before we HAD IDEs. And once you had blown the
> EAROM you had to guess at why it didn't work. Because we didn't have
> enough ICES to go round.
>
> BECAUSE we were professionals we learnt to write code in such a way that
> the chances of a bug were very very low.
>
> Its hackers who use IDES to throw code together, and then spend the next
> day bodging it until it works, simply because they have the tools that
> make debugging easier than writing proper code in the first place.
>
> The youth of today...
>

I started writing code using paper tapes and punch cards. Every job was
a batch run - submit the program and get the printout back (in college
that meant typically a 24 hour turnaround). Debug your code, make the
corrections (easier with punch cards than tape!) and resubmit the job.

That doesn't mean I'm still doing it. Good programmers learn better
ways of doing things. Others just complain about "the youth of today".

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