| Re: Anyone have experience with any php debuggers? [message #180084 is a reply to message #180081] |
Sat, 05 January 2013 13:35   |
Jerry Stuckle
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On 1/5/2013 6:01 AM, crankypuss wrote:
> On 01/04/2013 06:52 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 1/4/2013 7:06 AM, bill wrote:
>>> On 1/3/2013 8:18 AM, M. Strobel wrote:
>>>> Am 03.01.2013 12:52, schrieb bill:
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Use xdebug, and a IDE that does it, for example Komodo IDE.
>>>> >
>>>> > Is there a remote debugger that does not require and IDE?
>>>> > ie: one I can open in a 2nd browser window?
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> I once found a xdebug_client directly from the makers at xdebug.org,
>>>> but it was in
>>>> alpha state.
>>>>
>>>> You can dump execution traces.
>>>>
>>>> But why worry? A developer has an IDE.
>>>>
>>>> /Str.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I prefer HTML-Kit Tools as an editor and it is not part of an IDE.
>>> bill
>>
>> Sorry, I agree. A DEVELOPER has an IDE. A hacker uses an editor.
>>
>
> Please, Jerry; such unthinking buffoonery is beneath you, you are
> neither an idiot nor a fool so why present yourself as a bigoted
> software redneck.
>
> Developers do what is necessary, including building their own IDE using
> an editor, or the fucking dip-switches if that's what it takes. Lamers
> subject to significant brain damage from too many years of doing as they
> are told only have an IDE, the one that is most politically correct, or
> has been chosen by some idiot who has sucked up to management.
>
Yes, developers do what is necessary - including acquiring the correct
tools to make their job easier and more efficient. This includes an
IDE. And no, GOOD developers don't waste their time creating an IDE -
there are several already available they can use - which allows them to
spend their time being productive. I don't know of any carpenters who
build their own hammers.
> It is absolutely unnecessary to have an IDE in order to have a debugger,
> the debugger does its part of the job, the editor does its part, and an
> IDE tries to take it all upon itself to hoard the credit... in some
> cases an IDE might actually make things more convenient overall, but
> I've seen more cases of IDEs making things more of a pain in the ass.
>
No, and it's not necessary for a carpenter to have a hammer. But a good
IDE with an integrated debugger is much more efficient a separate
debugger.
Yes, the wrong IDE can be a PITA - but often times the problem is the
developer not taking the time to learn a new tool properly.
> The word "hacker" seems to have come into vogue and now seems to be
> leaving the fad building; back in the day, a "hack" described a quack
> doctor, or an incompetent professional. People want to think they are
> hackers when that is the politically acceptable thing, "developers" when
> that is more fashionable. Nobody is content to be a programmer anymore,
> everybody is most interested in gathering the acclaim suggested by a
> fancy title. Developer, hacker, blah blah blah. Just get the job done.
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