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Sun, 03 February 2013 18:40

crankypuss
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On 02/03/2013 08:17 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> crankypuss wrote:
>> On 02/02/2013 02:27 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> crankypuss wrote:
>>>> (Apologies for the cross-post.)
>>>>
>>>> I don't like bash, haven't seen anything that crude since back in the
>>>> days when I was writing FORTRAN and BASIC, so I've been writing all of
>>>> my local applications in PHP.
>>>>
>>>> The folks who frequent comp.lang.php seem to be pretty web-centric
>>>> which
>>>> makes sense as far as that goes. The folks who frequent the various
>>>> Linux fora seem pretty bash-centric which also makes sense as far as
>>>> that goes.
>>>
>>> Because for the web is where PHP originated. Get data, do something,
>>> done. Not really suited for event driven apps.
>>
>> I have code that says you're mistaken.
>
>
> I don't think so. Since its original name was "Personal Home Page Tools"
> for scripts to facilitate created personal webpages on a server speaks
> to its origins. How an application interacts in with the user from a
> webserver is very different from that of a desktop application.

It's okay if we disagree on this, you're allowed to be incorrect. <G>

As for how users interact with applications, if you think it's different
on the web vs on the desktop, I would claim that you haven't finished
generalizing your view of it. In either case the application presents
something, the user responds, rinse-and-repeat. The main difference
between a web-app and a desktop-app is the level of precision provided
by the interface and the amount of latency. I've built web-apps that
run equally well on the desktop. If you aren't aware of it, there is
(or, was) a guy in the Windows world who sells a shareware product to
facilitate writing desktop applications in PHP.

I'm not sure but I think it used to be available here,
http://www.desktopsolutions.com/
but he/they seem not to offer the package anymore, preferring to make
money providing services. It's been years, and I don't recall for sure
where I got the thing. It could have been this but I think this is
something new:

http://www.nusphere.com/products/phpdock.htm

Oooh, lookit what I found while looking for that link!
http://code.google.com/p/phpdesktop/

> That
> said, PHP is one of the easiest languages to get started on. I use it a
> lot but never liked it double-butt-load of core commands, I mean com'on
> PHP gods have you not ever hear of a command parameter? How many in
> PHP's gaggle of "sort" commands vs Perl one: sort?

The language has been hacked almost to death, yeah.

OTOH, when I think about going back and re-learning C, which I never
*really* learned well since I skipped from Assembler to C++, and then
dropped C++ as a bag-o-crap... it's like considering the idea of
spending money to hook up with your ex-wife's mother or something
equally disgusting.

>>> Late comer to acquiring
>>> programming features like OOP. But it is evolving and things may change.
>>
>> OOP is the worst thing that happened to PHP since mySQL.
>>
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, I've been using Linux for long enough now to realize how
>>>> shell-centric it is as an operating system; I'm somewhat blown away by
>>>> that but it too makes its own kind of sense.
>>>
>>> I found bash so useful and powerful and confusing a bit at times. Beats
>>> the stuffing out of MS batch files and easier than powershell for me.
>>
>> MS batch files, lol.
>
> You can get some things done, but it takes a lot of kung-foo!
>
>> Not familiar with powershell.
>
> Single word, "ugh".
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there a forum where the other folks (presuming there are any) who
>>>> have been writing applications in PHP hang out? Don't say "yeah dummy,
>>>> go to comp.lang.python" please, my homor quotient is maxed out for
>>>> today. <g>
>>>
>>> Because the python, perl, bash, c, and c++ is what is generally used.
>>
>> So it goes, eh? Everybody does what everybody has always done.
>
> I have been looking at python since there seems to be so much
> development in that direction, but <groan> another language to
> learn...maybe not so bad since the syntax is so different, unlike the
> problems I suffer when I switch back and forth between Perl and PHP.
>

PHP has a few advantages. Lots of people use it for web-apps so there
are more PHP programmers out there than programmers for a
new-as-yet-untested language. If you can make your way through all the
gross crap, you can find a pony underneath. And syntactically it isn't
that difficult to automatically transliterate to some
new-as-yet-untested language. The language itself has some decent
features, reminiscent of Rexx. It ain't great but it's sufficient, imo.

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		anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sat, 02 February 2013 20:27
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: DanS on Sat, 02 February 2013 20:57
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 10:45
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: DanS on Sun, 03 February 2013 12:00
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Sat, 02 February 2013 21:27
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 10:49
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 03 February 2013 11:00
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Sun, 03 February 2013 15:17
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: crankypuss on Sun, 03 February 2013 18:40
		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Sun, 03 February 2013 19:00
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:06
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		Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? By: Jonathan N. Little on Mon, 04 February 2013 16:35
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