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Re: anyone else writing Linux (or cross-system) applications in PHP? [message #180353 is a reply to message #180339] Tue, 05 February 2013 19:24 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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On 02/05/2013 06:08 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Tim Streater, 2013-02-05 13:56:
>
>> In article <5110FDFB(dot)4030601(at)arnowelzel(dot)de>,
>> Arno Welzel <usenet(at)arnowelzel(dot)de> wrote:
>>
> [...]
>>>> My desktop app uses JavaScript to present to the user, and PHP for
>>>> backend stuff such as writing to SQLite databases, communicating over
>>>> the net, writing log files, and other functions that the app needs. I
>>>> use apache/ajax to communicate between the two. As I said before -
>>>> heavy? Sure, but who cares.
>>>
>>> I would care if i would need all that stuff just to be able to run an
>>> application. It's not only about processing power or memory consumption
>>> - but also about security and stability. The more components you put
>>> together the more likely something can go wrong.
>>
>> Look, here's a bar magnet and a magnifying glass. Now you can edit the
>> bits directly on the disk, no need for any software components at all.
>> Happy now?
>
> You don't get it or you never wrote an application which you made
> available to the public.
>

I used to make some stuff available to others, and I've used more cuss
words on other people's components than anything else... for that matter
I've yet to find an operating system that I can really trust over the
long haul, application code keeps having to implement workaround after
workaround to counteract changes in successive releases. I remember
some gawdawful conditional assembler code to make some stuff that should
have been pretty simple just keep working as the system interfaces
shifted around under it like jello.

Sometimes I think "what the world needs" (or at least, what I'd like to
have a copy of) is a Linux distro called LCDlinux (for Lowest Common
Denominator) so an LCD could actually be *established* and then improved
at the system level. (And no, its name ain't "slackware" as far as I
can tell.) I don't think I've seen a really clean set of system
interfaces since CP/M or maybe OS/360, "modern" interfaces seem designed
to make it easy for system developers, or perhaps tg maximize the amount
of hoop-jumping on the part of application developers.

Meanwhile the idea of distributing any of my PHP applications gives me
the shudders because of the dozens of includes and hundreds of
subroutines all needing to be in the right directories and so forth.
One of these days I'll go back and rework some parsing code I built
while doing web-apps and use it to collect all the subroutines into a
single file, or better yet gzip them and embed the compressed source in
a tweaked-up copy of the PHP interpreter so that an application consists
of one binary file.

Sometimes I would damn near take the bar magnet and magnifying glass
just so I'd have something to work with that could actually be counted
on, when you key the program in through the dip-switches at least you
know what you have.
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