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Fri, 22 March 2013 00:47

Thomas 'PointedEars'
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Peter H. Coffin wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Mar 2013 18:22:30 +0000, Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
>> M. Strobel <sorry_no_mail_here(at)nowhere(dot)dee> wrote:
>>> [Page 3]
>>> o the default character set is changed from US-ASCII [ANSI1986] to
>>> UTF-8 [RFC3629] (note that US-ASCII is a subset of UTF-8);

That is interesting, but hardly relevant here. The relevant standard here
is Proposed Standard RFC 5536 (Netnews Article Format, 2009 CE) which refers
to Draft Standard RFC 5322 (Internet Message Format, 2008) for the general
format of Internet messages, which in turn refers to the Draft Standards
RFC 2045 to 2049 (MIME, 1996) for message encoding.

>>> I am so fed up with limited character sets like ISO-8859 or the Win
>>> encoding a programmer/sysadmin has to care about.

Do you even know that the so-called “ISO-8859-1” actually is Windows-1252?

> […]
> OTOH, curly-quotes (which IIRC were the issue here) add little, if
> anything, to clarity for any language, and certainly have no place in
> PHP coding.

Not quite. While typographic/proper quotation marks (“curly-quotes” is a
misnomer) have not been used as part of PHP code here (of course), there is
nothing wrong with using them in syntactically correct ways, like *inside*
string values, as long as the source code uses the corresponding character
encoding and the encoding is properly declared (since PHP is encoding-
agnostic, if you declare and use UTF-8 – without BOM, preferably – you can
type those characters verbatim; do not think that I “'d and ”'d
everything in PHP source code for <http://PointedEars.de/es-matrix>).

In fact, if the value is to be used in output, like non-code in a Web
document, it is strongly recommended to use typographical quotes so as to
improve the readability of the text. However, few Web developers are aware
of the benefits of Web typography; I must admit that I had not become very
much aware of it myself before writing my thesis (in publishable texts like
scientific works you *must* use correct typography). Only that some longer
time before that I had already written PHP code that automatically
transformed “ASCII” typography into proper one for an e-book; I should
probably refactor and reuse it now.

PointedEars
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		mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: oldyork90 on Wed, 20 March 2013 03:49
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 20 March 2013 10:42
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: oldyork90 on Wed, 20 March 2013 14:09
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Wed, 20 March 2013 14:29
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: The Cat in the Hat on Wed, 20 March 2013 21:58
		UTF-8 charset (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) By: Christoph Becker on Wed, 20 March 2013 22:45
		Re: UTF-8 charset (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) By: The Cat in the Hat on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:13
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:31
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Thu, 21 March 2013 09:11
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: adrian on Thu, 21 March 2013 14:31
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Thu, 21 March 2013 16:22
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Thu, 21 March 2013 17:05
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Fri, 22 March 2013 00:17
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: Christoph Becker on Fri, 22 March 2013 00:55
		Unicode support (was: UTF-8 charset) By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Fri, 22 March 2013 01:16
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 12:57
		Re: Unicode support By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 30 March 2013 13:25
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 14:33
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 14:55
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 18:04
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 20:26
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 21:26
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 22:14
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 22:29
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Sun, 31 March 2013 12:10
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sun, 31 March 2013 12:41
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Sun, 31 March 2013 17:12
		Re: Unicode support By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 30 March 2013 19:18
		Re: Unicode support By: Christoph Becker on Sat, 30 March 2013 20:05
		Re: Unicode support By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 30 March 2013 20:19
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Sun, 31 March 2013 12:06
		Re: Unicode support By: M. Strobel on Tue, 02 April 2013 17:59
		Re: Unicode support By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 30 March 2013 14:29
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Fri, 22 March 2013 10:50
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Fri, 22 March 2013 08:46
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: M. Strobel on Thu, 21 March 2013 17:36
		Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] By: adrian on Thu, 21 March 2013 18:22
		Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] By: Peter H. Coffin on Thu, 21 March 2013 20:00
		Re: UTF-8 charset [OT] By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Fri, 22 March 2013 00:47
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: The Natural Philosoph on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:20
		Re: UTF-8 charset By: Scott Johnson on Wed, 20 March 2013 23:39
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: Jerry Stuckle on Thu, 21 March 2013 03:29
		OT: Xnews mime-proxy (was: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated) By: BootNic on Thu, 21 March 2013 14:53
		Re: mysql dynamic binding and pass-by-ref deprecated By: oldyork90 on Thu, 21 March 2013 13:43

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