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Re: part 2 - file exists not working [message #182958 is a reply to message #182957] Fri, 27 September 2013 02:56 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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On 9/26/2013 9:47 PM, Curtis Dyer wrote:
> Twayne wrote:
>
> [Twayne's quoted text below has been rewrapped]
>
>> On 2013-09-26 2:01 AM, Curtis Dyer wrote: ...
>>
>>> Arbitrary server admins don't determine when features of PHP
>>> become deprecated, the PHP development team does.
>>
>> Say WHAT? ... what makes you think that current servers, which
>> almost all offer at least TWO versions of PHP to its users will
>> stop doing that?
>
> None of what I wrote has anything to do with this.
>
>> Some even offer THREE I've come across in the past. DEPRECATED
>> means removed from a VERSION of the language, not ALL versions!
>
> No, deprecated means that a feature or practice is considered
> dated in favor of something else, and that one should avoid using
> it, where possible. It is by no means a strict mandate that you
> must never use the feature. (Although, you obviously can't use the
> feature whenever you move to the new version in which a deprecated
> feature is dropped.)
>
>> And just who is going to force server admins to have a dictated
>> version of PHP available and no other?
>
> No one, but I never wrote or implied anything like that.
>
>> It's myopic crap-thinking like that, that gets my attention
>> here.
>
> It's not a big deal. If you're writing new code, today, there's no
> reason not to avoid using the mysql extension. That's all. I'm not
> warning to toss away or fix old code *right now*.
>
> And, if anything, it's myopic thinking to write code depending on
> a deprecated extension in situations where you don't need to.
>
>> And besides, mysql i isn't all that different from mysql,
>> period. It's just not the Armageddon arrival as some are working
>> so hard to point out.
>
> This is a ridiculous straw man.
>
>> If you want to help, TEACH ; otherwise phase out.
>
> What do you mean? What do you think trying to inform people about
> best practices is all about? No one here is imposing mandates on
> anyone. We can just offer the best advice as we're able, and it's
> up to the OP and others who might read the advice to do with it
> what they will.
>
>> Forget the vague warnings and scenarios of web sites not working
>> overnight.
>
> No one has written this. When I read Thomas's post upthread, for
> example, it read as a helpful aside to me. It was quite clear and
> concise. There's nothing vague about informing people about a
> deprecated feature.
>
> Again, no one has written that people's code will break overnight.
>
> <snip>
>
>>> When giving people advice about writing code, it's helpful to
>>> encourage the best possible practices. The mysql extension is
>>> indeed deprecated, and people learning PHP ought to be made
>>> well aware of this.
>>
>> True, and that should be your job;
>
> Usenet is not my job; Usenet contributors don't get paid for
> posting. I generally post here in the event that I feel I'm able
> to provide what little help I can. Further, newsgroups like this
> have been a big help to me, so contributing back is a nice change
> of pace.
>
>> NOT making gregarious claims
>
> I've never heard claims described as gregarious. Perhaps you meant
> grandiose? If that's the case, I made none.
>
> The mysql extension is deprecated, but this has nothing to do with
> magically breaking Web servers. It's a simple warning to
> developers (and sever admins), that, at some point, the extension
> will be phased out.
>
> It's a helpful warning and is intended to give people time to
> prepare however they choose. For some people, the concern probably
> isn't immediate. That's fine. However, there's absolutely nothing
> wrong with suggesting to beginners that they ought to use instead
> mysqli or the PDO MySQL driver.
>
> There are other reasons for using alternatives to the mysql
> extension that go beyond the fact that it's deprecated (although,
> they likely have contributed to the fact that it has become
> deprecated). For example, the fact that you can use prepared
> statements or, in PDO's case, it provides an abstract interface to
> allow developers to reuse code for multiple databases.
>
>> that all sites will stop working if/when a server's admin
>> employs a new version of a program!
>>>
>>> While your code may continue to work on your system, the same
>>> cannot be said of everyone who takes advice from posts such as
>>> those in this thread.
>>
>> THEN SAY SO!
>
> I have written it in the post you quoted. Although, I didn't write
> in all-caps, so perhaps you missed it.
>
> <snip>
>

Curtis,

Please don't feed the troll...


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