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Re: server-side vs.client-side [message #183612 is a reply to message #183610]

Sat, 02 November 2013 18:36

Arno Welzel
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn, 2013-11-02 17:57:

> Christoph Michael Becker wrote:
>
>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Christoph Michael Becker, 2013-10-30 20:54:
>>>> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> > One question - since both you and Thomas seem to be from Germany, and
>>>> > have the same misunderstanding of the word "normally", what does
>>>> > "normally" translate to in German? What does it mean?
>>>>
>>>> In Germany it is "normalerweise"/"üblicherweise", what means as much
>>>> usually. Anyway, a misunderstanding of the term "normally" is not the
>>>> problem here for me. In my opinion, it is correct to state: "PHP is
>>>> normally (usually, most often etc.) used on a server (for server-side
>>>> programming)."
>>>>
>>>> It is as well correct to state: "No programming language is normally
>>>> either server-side or client-side." Otherwise it would mean, that there
>>>> are programming languages that couldn't be used outside of a
>>>> client-server context.
>>>
>>> Exactly *this* is the wrong assumption, what "normally" means in this
>>> context. It does *NOT* mean that a language can *never* be used in other
>>> ways - it only says that is the the most common use of it.
>>
>> I thought there is the same difference between
>>
>> "No programming language is normally either server-side or
>> client-side."
>>
>> and
>>
>> "No programming language is either normally server-side
>> or normally client-side."
>>
>> as it is in German. Apparently, I was mistaken.
>
> You are not. “normally” is (used here as) a “weasel word”, and the argument
> is fundamentally flawed. What is “normally” – who defines what that is (not
> what it means)? At which percentage does “normally” start? You can see
> that this cannot lead to a sound argument. Which is why I intentionally
> double-quoted the word.
>
> JFTR: Mr. Welzel, too, is a native speaker of *German* only. For more

JFTR: As you are ;-)

I think your problem is, that you (mis-)understand "normally" in this
context as "no other use makes sense" or "no other use is possible" -
which of course is not true.

We all know that PHP can be used in different ways and not just "server
side". But when saying "PHP is normally used server side" this does not
say anything at all about where PHP *can* be used, just what it is
*meant* to be used for and what its strengths are. Just think a moment
about the history of PHP - it all started as a set of tools to create
HTML documents on the server:

<http://www.php.net/manual/en/history.php.php>

"[...] the very first incarnation of PHP was a simple set of Common
Gateway Interface (CGI) binaries written in the C programming language."

> professional (and native-speakers-of-English's) interpretation and
> translation, for example go to
>
> < http://dict.leo.org/ende/?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=r elaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=&search=normally>

You call this a "professional interpretation and translation"?

Anyway - I would also suggest
<http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/normally?q=normally>.

> In particular, you might find this interesting:
>
> < http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewGeneraldiscussion.php?idThread=1139295&id Forum=4&lang=de&lp=ende>

Some thoughts by other people - yes, interesting - but a "professional
interpretation"?

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		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Mon, 28 October 2013 02:22
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 28 October 2013 09:49
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Richard Damon on Mon, 28 October 2013 12:11
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Mon, 28 October 2013 13:37
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Jerry Stuckle on Mon, 28 October 2013 14:01
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 29 October 2013 19:10
		server-side vs.client-side (was: checking for audio playing ???) By: Christoph Michael Bec on Tue, 29 October 2013 20:45
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 00:54
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 02:18
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 02:31
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:20
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 18:04
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 18:58
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 19:54
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 20:21
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Wed, 30 October 2013 20:55
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Wed, 30 October 2013 21:07
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Thu, 31 October 2013 08:40
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Christoph Michael Bec on Thu, 31 October 2013 22:03
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Fri, 01 November 2013 00:38
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Thomas 'PointedEars' on Sat, 02 November 2013 16:57
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sat, 02 November 2013 18:36
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: The Natural Philosoph on Sat, 02 November 2013 18:44
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Denis McMahon on Sun, 03 November 2013 00:28
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Doug Miller on Sat, 02 November 2013 19:01
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		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Fri, 01 November 2013 21:10
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		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Jerry Stuckle on Sat, 02 November 2013 00:37
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sat, 02 November 2013 00:26
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		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sat, 02 November 2013 00:24
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		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Sat, 02 November 2013 21:37
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Sun, 03 November 2013 09:48
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Tim Streater on Sun, 03 November 2013 10:28
		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Tue, 05 November 2013 10:15
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		Re: server-side vs.client-side By: Arno Welzel on Wed, 30 October 2013 08:09
		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Denis McMahon on Mon, 28 October 2013 15:23
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		Re: checking for audio playing ??? By: Doug Miller on Sun, 27 October 2013 18:22
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